The journey from there to here
Published on November 13, 2005 By Gideon MacLeish In Politics

I read the latest tripe about Bush's alleged string pulling to get into (and out of) the National Guard during the Vietnam era. Read it, dismissed it, and walked away with a more solid resolve not to give my vote to the types of people who waste my time dragging red herrings like this out repeatedly in an order to embarass the party in power.

You see, they're sending a clear message: that their PARTY, not the country, is what's truly important, and that they will abandon all ethics in advancing the cause of their party.

The Democrats, it seems, feel they are OWED an impeachment. And there are some among them who've shown themselves willing to forge documents in order to attempt to obtain it (even though those documents, even if they were true, have absolutely ZERO to do with Bush's ability or inability to lead the nation more than 30 years after the fact...but I digress). An eye for an eye, an impeachment for an impeachment seems to be the rule of the day. Their attempt to subvert the Democratic process by winning in courts rather than in the polls is extending beyond the arena of legislation and into the arena of elected officials.

In 2004, John Kerry inherited a winnable race. Though George W. Bush held solid approval numbers, those numbers were by no means insurmountable (don't believe me? Look at Papa Bush's numbers a year before the '92 elections). But in John Kerry's campaign, what was clearly missing in most of the advertisements, was any sign of an agenda, a platform behind which we could rally. John Kerry's entire campaign could have been summed up with the slogan "I don't suck as bad as my opponent".

One year after the election, Bush's detractors haven't let up. They are trying to shape public opinion into casting Bush as an evil dictator because of some of his actions (which, even if true, could easily be chalked up as the actions of a spoiled youth who wanted to avoid war as badly as did millions of other young American males at the time). Because they've failed in their attempt to defeat him in the legislature, they're taking the war to the media, hoping the American public will chase this red herring all the way away from the Democrats' own ineptitude.

And many of the left, at least, are falling for it.

Me, I'm sick of it. The American left has demonstrated why I abandoned the left and have no intention of looking back FAR better than I EVER could.

I suppose, then, I owe them a thanks for that much.


Comments (Page 3)
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on Nov 16, 2005
>You don't have a frickin' clue about what white phosphorus is, do ya? It's nasty stuff, but hardly a chemical weapon.


its hilarious watching you try and spin this.
WOW

If its not a chemical weapon ... go shower with tonight.
By the way ... I have pictures of what Fallujah looked like after we hosed that place down with WP. In civilian city.

THEN we lied about it when the Italian media released footage ... now we have CENCOM saying it was used in shake and bake
WHEN WILL THE LYING STOP???

>The reason that WP is particularly nasty, is that if you get any large enough pieces under your skin, ( a lot bigger
>than smoke particles) it keeps burning until it burns out or is physically removed.

Chief isnt that the point?
We gassed them with that nonsense.
In a civilian population
THEN WE LIED ABOUT IT
NOW WE ARE ADMITTING IT?

spin it ALL you want man ... all i know (and now 57%^ of the population knows is that anyone associated with the fuhrer
is a LIAR)

saddam gassed his own people
and
WE GASSED HIS OWN PEOPLE

even - steven
on Nov 16, 2005
>The RAI documentary, "Fallujah -- The Hidden Massacre", said the US military used a kind of napalm and white phosphorus in
>the battle, a claim denied by the US State Department.

>Robert Tuttle, US ambassador to Britain, wrote in a letter published by The Independent newspaper on Tuesday that
>"US forces do not use napalm or white phosphorus as weapons".

>Col Venable said. "WP was used to target insurgent groups in Fallujah". "The combined effects of the fire and smoke
>and in some case the terror brought about by the explosion on the ground - will drive them out of the holes so that
>you can kill them with high explosives," he said.

SO IF IT WAS NOT ILLEGAL WHY DID WE LIE ABOUT IT?
I dont get it?

WHATS WITH THE ENDLESS LIES
JESUS CHRIST
STOP THE GODDAM LYING EVERY FRICKING SECOND
DAMN
on Nov 16, 2005
its hilarious watching you try and spin this.


Dude, fine, whatever makes you happy. Read whatever you want into it. Sure. Bush is the antichrist. I was a soldier, and we ate Iraqi babies every other meal at the defac. I put white phosphorus in your phone. It's in your breakfast cereal too. And everything I've ever said is a lie. Including that sentence. The Bush family causes hurricanes. I'm sending maser waves into your brain from your computer screen. We're secretly reforming the republican party into the New Reich of the American National Socialists. The storm troopers are at your front door even as we speak. You'll have to excuse me now, I'm just going to go kill a few more Iraqis for their oil and go to bed. After I blow up some american skyscrapers in my own country to start a war. We can hear your thoughts.
There aren't that many so it's not very hard.

There. I confessed all my lies. Happy now?

Oh yeah, and shower in it? No. But I've been in the smoke. No big deal. Ignorant fucktard.
on Nov 16, 2005
>Oh yeah, and shower in it? No. But I've been in the smoke. No big deal. Ignorant fucktard.

LIAR
comeon? SPIN the above comment some more

on Nov 16, 2005
Robert Tuttle, US ambassador to Britain


Holy fuckin' shit. My husband knows that guy. He is the definition of a douche bag. I cannot stress enough what a sorry human being he is. I know this is off topic, but I gotta say it. Major Rob Tuttle is fucking piece of shit.
on Nov 16, 2005
Heh, and I have his email address if anyone wants to spam him or let him know he's a douche bag.
on Nov 16, 2005
LIAR


Is that all you can say? You're like a fucking broken record. Look dumbass, I'll explain it for ya. I'll skip using small words to make it easier for you, because you won't understand anyway.

I was military. We did training exercises in the field. Guess what we used in some of those exercises. Oh. White smoke grenades. Incendiary grenades too. Guess what they put in them. You guessed it. I've spent all day putting out the small fires at firing ranges in korea caused by the {gasp} burning red phosphorus in tracer rounds. And I assure you, I'm not dead from the fumes just yet.

You done calling me a liar? Or do I need to send a copy of my DD214 to you and call the fucking supply sergeant involved with my last field exercise at PLDC and get a copy of a form recording the goddam smoke grenades expended plus a letter from a munitions company describing their production methods before you'll believe anything that conflicts with your neat little world theory? There are none so blind as ignorant semi-anonymous terrorist felching fucktards.
on Nov 17, 2005

Reply By: Spc Nobody Special

Oh yeah, and shower in it? No. But I've been in the smoke. No big deal. Ignorant fucktard.

You cant argue with an idiot.  They will just drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience.  Ignore the nasty little troll.

on Nov 17, 2005
>Is that all you can say? You're like a fucking broken record. Look dumbass,
>I'll explain it for ya. I'll skip using small words to make it easier for
>you, because you won't understand anyway.

Either the BBC or the Military' FIELD ARTILLERY MANUAL is lying or you can
YOU CANT BE BOTH TELLING THE TRUTH.

****
The BBC explains that "if particles of ignited white phosphorus land on a
person's skin, they can continue to burn right through flesh to the bone. ... Exposure to white phosphorus smoke in the air can also cause liver, kidney, heart, lung or bone damage and even death
*********

SO YOU LIED ABOUT BEING ANYWHERE NEAR THIS STUFF
UNLESS OF COURSE
you are immortal

**********
An Italian television documentary last week, accused the US of using white phosphorus in a "massive and indiscriminate way" against civilians at Fallujah.

This was denied by the Pentagon, but witnesses in the US military's Field Artillery magazine described firing '"shake and bake" missions at insurgents and high explosive shells to "take them out". The Independent's coverage of the RAI documentary and fallout prompted a letter from Ambassador Tuttle.


Reports from refugee camps and from an Iraqi doctor who stayed in the city during the fighting suggest numerous civilians suffered burns and "melting skin" . Photographs show rows of bodies charred almost beyond recognition.
*************************

I have these photographs from the Italian news documentary
SO YOU ARE LYING
BECAUSE THIS NEWS DOCUMENTARY FORCED THE PENTAGON TO ADMIT CERTAIN THINGS.
THERE WERE WOMEN IN THAT PHOTOGRAPH
WOMEN
AND
CHILDREN

******************
White phosphorus is a highly flammable incendiary material which ignites when exposed to oxygen, and will burn human skin until all the oxygen is used up. A doctor from Fallujah described victims in the US siege "who had their skin melted".
*********************

YOU SIR ARE A LIAR
AGAIN
YOU ARE A LIAR ... AND ONE WITHOUT CONSCIENCE
on Nov 17, 2005

Either the BBC or the Military' FIELD ARTILLERY MANUAL is lying or you can
YOU CANT BE BOTH TELLING THE TRUTH.

The field manual is not lying, but the field manual would also state within it if it was restricted by the Geneva Convention, it does not. One simple fact, it is not used in massive amounts, and it's used in combat (or combat exercises) by every military(to include the Swiss Army)as a conventional weapon.

The BBC explains that "if particles of ignited white phosphorus land on a
person's skin, they can continue to burn right through flesh to the bone. ... Exposure to white phosphorus smoke in the air can also cause liver, kidney, heart, lung or bone damage and even death
*********

SO YOU LIED ABOUT BEING ANYWHERE NEAR THIS STUFF
UNLESS OF COURSE
you are immortal

OMG, I must have been burned to a crisp at least twenty times. I have been down wind of WP smoke before myself.

Spc Nobody is not lying, your just ill informed by people making WP something that it is not.

This is a perfect example how the far left wing Dems are leading to their own undoing by sucking themselve into every hairbrained throery out there hook, line, and sinker.
on Nov 17, 2005
we used it against these people (rebelling against OUR invasion)
and
WE LIED ABOUT IT

spin it anyway you want.
this just adds to the
rapes
killings
torture
we have been sanctioning
on Nov 17, 2005
>Oh yeah, and shower in it? No. But I've been in the smoke. No big deal. Ignorant fucktard.

LIAR
comeon? SPIN the above comment some more


"Who's" the liar here? Someone who has been there done that or someone that has not. Spin that away stupid!
on Nov 17, 2005
#41 by rombios


Anyone remember the name of this thread?

Ugliness of Dems is their Own Undoing!


Does this completely ignorant lunatic totally exemplify that?
Thank you "rombios", for illustrating the point of the thread.
on Nov 17, 2005
I know "Willie Pete" isn't against Geneva because that type of Artillery Round didn't come in the crates marked "against Geneva Convention, don't tell the press we're using these", like all the chemical, biological and "to kill kids with" projectiles did. ;~D
on Nov 17, 2005
Anyone ever wonder why after what seems like years rombios doesn't make his own account and start blogging? I wouldn't agree with a damn thing he says, but I find it strange that someone with his third world perspective and obvious angst would be able to settle just for trolling other people's blogs...
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