The journey from there to here
Published on December 18, 2007 By Gideon MacLeish In Current Events

About 7 years ago, I sat in a marketing "class". Oh, don't get me wrong, it contained a lot of good information. A lot of VERY good information, in fact, that I use to this day. But the marketing class was just a sales pitch for the latest Internet marketing company that had set up shop.

At the end of the day, we all received a very nice quality certificate, printed out on quality parchment paper. It was well presented, but all it was, effectively, was a sales pitch.

It was at the moment that I received my certificate that it hit me: degrees, certificates, pieces of paper are all essentially marketing gimmicks.

This is how those correspondence courses, those learn online places, make their money. Often they will offer you the information they are seeking, they just accredit their education to their own standards rather than a national standard, and issue you a "degree" based on their own educational standards. Without any kind of reputation behind it, all it is is another marketing gimmick.

I've spent the last year and a half earning the degree I never received. Now I can actually take credit for earning a college degree, and am working on another. And while there are moments where I think it might have been nice to have earned this degree when I was younger, there's a part of me that is glad I waited this long. Because not only do I value it, but I realize its value.

The degree I am earning is, by itself, worth nothing. Well, maybe the fraction of a cent recycle value that it represents. But the degree itself is utterly worthless unless the education is actually used. It is like a key dangling on a chain. If you find a key while youre walking along the street, do you keep it? Unless you're a packrat, you usually don't. It's just a worthless key, after all, and not worth spending the time stooping to pick up.

Now, then, change the scenario. Assume you find a key, and you know it unlocks a great treasure (for the sake of this analogy, we will assume it's legal to procure the treasure, provided you have the key). What do you do then? You keep it, you guard it, until such time as you can use it to obtain the treasure.

Did the key's value increase? Not one bit. It is still worth exactly what the first key was worth. But the value it REPRESENTS is what increased.

Recently it was suggested that the government should pay for all postsecondary education, up to and including advanced degrees. I disagree with that premise, and this is why. Because it makes no sense to hand out keys indiscriminately to everyone hoping that one or two will unlock the treasure.

In America, we are incredibly fortunate. We have all the tools for learning at our disposal. You cannot go to a city of any size and not find a public library. These libraries have a wealth of information available to anyone who wants to use it. And, in fact, if you're reading this, you are sitting in front of a machine that gives you access to more information than the most well stocked library.

This is what makes the suggestion of "free" postsecondary education useless. Essentially the proposal is that we hand out keys to everyone so that they can unlock their potential. But if they won't walk through open doors to unguarded treasure, why on earth would they use a key to access more closely guarded treasure?


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on Dec 18, 2007
A necessity.


Hmm, I could be wrong, but I think BlueDev's working on a GRADUATE degree, which falls in a different category. Not every student needs a graduate degree.

I can assure you, student loans are not a necessity for MOST people at the undergrad level and are certainly a luxury.
on Dec 18, 2007
another suggestion, go to a certification program that only takes a semester and only costs a few hundred to a thousand dollars, that way, when you do work, you can make more than minimum wage or "work study" wages.
on Dec 18, 2007
what i have proposed would lift some of the people who are laying in the mud.


You can't force anyone out of the mud, danielost. People who don't WANT to change can just go on laying there. Sound callous? Yup, but frankly, my job is not to hold your hand!

Not everyone is capable of earning a college degree, not everyone should HAVE a college degree. Frankly, the students who want to learn shouldn't have to suffer waiting for the students who don't. We have plenty of that at the K12 level already.

You have a million reasons for why you "can't" attend school, and you fail to even TRY to achieve. The government does not OWE you a college degree. The government has provided you with plenty of means to obtain one and your failure to get it is not their fault.

I will stand by my assertion that there are plenty of opportunities for someone who wants a degree to get one. I have received ZERO scholarships, and have relied solely on government grants and the one loan to this point, so it isn't a matter of wisdom/intelligence that I am able to get to school.

As for SC's use of BlueDev as an example, BlueDev is hardly the typical college student, and I have zero doubt he will be able to pay back his student loans (that is, unless universal healthcare comes into play!)
on Dec 18, 2007

You can't force anyone out of the mud, danielost. People who don't WANT to change can just go on laying there. Sound callous? Yup, but frankly, my job is not to hold your hand!


when and where did i say anything about forceing anyone any where,.
on Dec 18, 2007
the only thing i said about forcing was reading writing and math. we are already doing this.
on Dec 18, 2007
No, you stated you wanted to pull people out of the mud. I said there are already ways to do that. Basically, if people are still wallowing in the mud, in America, at least, it is because they choose to be there.

As for your personal case, danielost, stop making excuses. If you are that miserable, change things!
on Dec 18, 2007
And Arty, I'm kind of disappointed you didn't weigh in on my "Microsocialism vs. Macrosocialism" thread!
on Dec 18, 2007
I think BlueDev's working on a GRADUATE degree,


That's what I thought you were talking about with danielost in this aspect. He was talking about doctors doing their intern stuff and I thought you told him they could get jobs.

Which is false.

PS BlueDev's been done for over a year, now. He's a certified MD finishing up his residency.
on Dec 18, 2007
Daniel, judging by the number of college freshmen who have to take remedial math and English classes... no, we're not forcing math or reading on anyone. ;~D
on Dec 18, 2007
No, you stated you wanted to pull people out of the mud. I said there are already ways to do that. Basically, if people are still wallowing in the mud, in America, at least, it is because they choose to be there.


what i have proposed would lift some of the people who are laying in the mud.
on Dec 18, 2007
Daniel, judging by the number of college freshmen who have to take remedial math and English classes... no, we're not forcing math or reading on anyone. ;~D


i didn't say that we were doing a good job. we're too busy taking kids to picket lines to get more pay for teachers, i saw this in utah when i was driving cab, they had whole classes there. too busy telling kids that the celebration of christmas is wrong.
on Dec 18, 2007
I said there are already ways to do that.


but there are more official ways of keeping them in the mud. than there are to get them out of the mud.

you also usually have to know about the ways out of the mud before you can use them.
on Dec 18, 2007
what i have proposed would lift some of the people who are laying in the mud.


And I'm telling you that we already HAVE a system in place to lift people out of the mud. You're proposing universal college (which, by the way, would almost certainly become MANDATORY if the government funded it at the level of K12 education), when we already HAVE opportunities for those who need it.


That's what I thought you were talking about with danielost in this aspect. He was talking about doctors doing their intern stuff and I thought you told him they could get jobs.


No, I was saying that a freshman college student and an intern were not the same thing. Sorry for the misunderstanding.

As I've already stated, my plan for law school will be to use loans, because I understand the hours are grueling. I know that at the graduate level it's necessary, but at the undergrad level at a state college it is all too often a luxury.

One of the reasons I'm NOT taking out much in the way of loans for my undergraduate work is because I expect I will HAVE to for law school!
on Dec 18, 2007
Daniellost, we have given a lot of suggestions about how a person can fund an education without making free education an entitlement. So far you seem to have ignored them all.
on Dec 18, 2007
you also usually have to know about the ways out of the mud before you can use them.


You have to LOOK for a way out.

In our community, the community college sits literally 300 feet across a field from the low income apartments. EVERY welfare referral has to go through Texas Workforce which works hard to place students in the college. Believe me, danielost, if you don't know about these opportunities, you frankly don't WANT to know.

The enrollment counselor at the local college isn't going to recruit at the homeless shelter; that's not their job. If the so called "advocates" at the homeless shelter aren't trying to help these homeless people find better opportunities for their lives, well then, they're not really advocates, are they.

STOP putting the blame on the higher education system, which provides ABUNDANT opportunity, and START putting it where it belongs. On the people who have day to day contact with America's poor but would rather keep them poor so that they aren't put out of a job!
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