The journey from there to here
Published on December 18, 2007 By Gideon MacLeish In Current Events

About 7 years ago, I sat in a marketing "class". Oh, don't get me wrong, it contained a lot of good information. A lot of VERY good information, in fact, that I use to this day. But the marketing class was just a sales pitch for the latest Internet marketing company that had set up shop.

At the end of the day, we all received a very nice quality certificate, printed out on quality parchment paper. It was well presented, but all it was, effectively, was a sales pitch.

It was at the moment that I received my certificate that it hit me: degrees, certificates, pieces of paper are all essentially marketing gimmicks.

This is how those correspondence courses, those learn online places, make their money. Often they will offer you the information they are seeking, they just accredit their education to their own standards rather than a national standard, and issue you a "degree" based on their own educational standards. Without any kind of reputation behind it, all it is is another marketing gimmick.

I've spent the last year and a half earning the degree I never received. Now I can actually take credit for earning a college degree, and am working on another. And while there are moments where I think it might have been nice to have earned this degree when I was younger, there's a part of me that is glad I waited this long. Because not only do I value it, but I realize its value.

The degree I am earning is, by itself, worth nothing. Well, maybe the fraction of a cent recycle value that it represents. But the degree itself is utterly worthless unless the education is actually used. It is like a key dangling on a chain. If you find a key while youre walking along the street, do you keep it? Unless you're a packrat, you usually don't. It's just a worthless key, after all, and not worth spending the time stooping to pick up.

Now, then, change the scenario. Assume you find a key, and you know it unlocks a great treasure (for the sake of this analogy, we will assume it's legal to procure the treasure, provided you have the key). What do you do then? You keep it, you guard it, until such time as you can use it to obtain the treasure.

Did the key's value increase? Not one bit. It is still worth exactly what the first key was worth. But the value it REPRESENTS is what increased.

Recently it was suggested that the government should pay for all postsecondary education, up to and including advanced degrees. I disagree with that premise, and this is why. Because it makes no sense to hand out keys indiscriminately to everyone hoping that one or two will unlock the treasure.

In America, we are incredibly fortunate. We have all the tools for learning at our disposal. You cannot go to a city of any size and not find a public library. These libraries have a wealth of information available to anyone who wants to use it. And, in fact, if you're reading this, you are sitting in front of a machine that gives you access to more information than the most well stocked library.

This is what makes the suggestion of "free" postsecondary education useless. Essentially the proposal is that we hand out keys to everyone so that they can unlock their potential. But if they won't walk through open doors to unguarded treasure, why on earth would they use a key to access more closely guarded treasure?


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on Dec 18, 2007
teachers and doctors do this now.


Do you realize how many nurses, doctors and teachers are working outside of their fields?
on Dec 18, 2007
wrong


you can go to college if you can either afford the tuition(spch). get a loan for it. or spend lots of time getting it by taking one or two classes at a time. and then to get that peace of paper you still have to pay the tuition.


Pell grant, $2050 a semester...NOT A LOAN!
on Dec 18, 2007
There are a million reasons to not go to college, but money isn't one of them.


EXACTLY.

Daniel, the federal government spends tons of money to help students go to school. STATE governments spend tons of money as well. Add in civic groups, nonprofits, etc, and it's probably fair to say that somewhere in the billions of dollars lf "free" aid is offered every year. It's nobody's fault but your own if you don't use it.

In the last year and a half ALL I paid for tuition out of MY pocket was $350 for one summer class that wasn't covered by financial aid because it was used for the year.
on Dec 18, 2007
WWW Link


this is just a community college which receives taxes to keep tuition low
on Dec 18, 2007
PELL....$2050 a semester
on Dec 18, 2007
Full time tuition at the college you listed EASILY falls under the Pell max, danielost.
on Dec 18, 2007
Danielost: your own link shows that you could take 12 credits (full time) and still have $1327.00 per semester to help with living expenses.

Tell me again how college is unaffordable?
on Dec 18, 2007

I disagree, stubby. There will always be a place for menial employment. Your vision is interesting, but I don't see it as being practical.

I ahve a couple of thoughts, but wanted to jump on this one first.  I agree with Gideon.  The demand for menial will not disappear, even as the demand for Buggy WHips has not disappeared.  It will continue to shink by some percentage (for the sake of argument lets say 50% a year).  But think about that.  If 10 years ago we needed 100,000,000 menial jobs, today we need less than 100,000.  But in another 10 years will we need any?  yes, for the demand is still only going down 50%, not 100%.

And yes, by that reasoning, we will always need some since not everything can be automated economically, or for the simple reason of craftmanship.

And with that ladies and Gents, you have just used your calculus that you knew you never would after getting out of the course.

on Dec 18, 2007

The value of the key is the same as the value of gold.  In itself, it is nothing more than a piece of metal.  The value comes from what people are willing to pay for it.  That treasure it unlocks could just as easily be a cow behind door number 3 of "Let's Make a Deal".  Or if could be an all expense paid vacation to Europe. 

So in effect is a degree.  You can go dig ditches with it, or become a CEO.  There is no way to know when you get it what it will be worth.  Just that it puts you that much closer to opening the treasure. 

But what it all signifies is what has been said many times before.  Work for it, and the value increases immensely.  Get it for free, and the value is thereby decreased.  Work is not meant as a punishment (that goes for learning or earning), but as a way of putting value into our activities not only so others can value them (which does help to put food on the table), but so that we can value them even more.

on Dec 18, 2007
Full time tuition at the college you listed EASILY falls under the Pell max, danielost.


if you live in the right counties nor does it covor class prices if any

on Dec 18, 2007
this is just a community college which receives taxes to keep tuition low


on Dec 18, 2007
But what it all signifies is what has been said many times before. Work for it, and the value increases immensely. Get it for free, and the value is thereby decreased. Work is not meant as a punishment (that goes for learning or earning), but as a way of putting value into our activities not only so others can value them (which does help to put food on the table), but so that we can value them even more.




then all of these companies that pay for college classes and other forms of further eduction courses are just throwing away their money.
on Dec 18, 2007
if you live in the right counties nor does it covor class prices if any


TUITION is "class prices" danielost.

Try again!
on Dec 18, 2007
if you live in the right counties nor does it covor
class prices if any



i covered that gid read the whole thing.


there are classes that require that you pay for lab expensive or buy specific things for that class such as a computer.


nor does the tuition cover the costs of books. yes i know you can buy used.
on Dec 18, 2007

the federal government spends tons of money to help students go to school. STATE governments spend tons of money as well. Add in civic groups, nonprofits, etc, and it's probably fair to say that somewhere in the billions of dollars lf "free" aid is offered every year. It's nobody's fault but your own if you don't use it.

In the last year and a half ALL I paid for tuition out of MY pocket was $350 for one summer class that wasn't covered by financial aid because it was used for the year.

Gideon,

I'm not going to argue that all post-secondary should be free. Growing up I saw many kids go to take 4 years of general studies at university because mommy and daddy had money, and if little johnny or suzie didn't go to school they'd have to get a job! (oh the horror)

For many of these kids, it was a complete waste. A waste of their time, a waste of their parents money, and a waste of instructor resources that could have been better allocated. Most of these kids did not graduate and washed out after 1-2 years. Come the following year, they'd either be working full time at an entry level-whatever job or enrolled in a technical school to get a trade (at least the smarter ones anyway)

My problem is however that the vast majority of students who go to post-secondary (and do so out of genuine motivation and intent to better themselves and get a career) end up graduating with tens of thousands of dollars of debt! A twenty something newly minted degree or diploma in whatever starts off in a very bad situation- they realistically cannot buy a house, start a business or do very much with their lives because they start off in the game of monopoly at square 1 with 30,000 plus in debt. Now, yes, if these people are a lawyer or a doctor or optometrist, even 100 thousand in debt isn't too big of a deal. But the vast majority are not. Yessir, that American dream is getting more attainable all the time!

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