The journey from there to here
Published on November 15, 2007 By Gideon MacLeish In Religion

It doesn't seem like that long ago, but it was half a lifetime. I was at one of the lowest points in my life and was overcome with the guilt of all of the mistakes I had made. I surrendered my life to Christ and committed myself to a new life.

Over the years, I've been in a number of different churches, some of them good, some of them bad, but all Bible believing churches. I've married and raised my children true to my Christian faith.

Having been raised in the LDS church, as a new Christian, I was aware of the word "cult", and used it frequently as I was taught, to describe those churches who didn't measure up to the strict interpretation of the Bible to which I was mentored. I wanted to be sure of my salvation so I studied eagerly in that journey.

But the word "cult" never set well with me for most of these churches. See, I knew people in these churches, and in all of them I knew people with a deep and fervent love of God. Sure, there were the nutcases, the caricatures out there, but those existed even in the "Christian" churches. We just did a better job of keeping them hidden.

Over the years, though, I found out the danger of the so called "evangelical" movement: they eat their own. While they profess to believe we are saved by grace, that "grace" means you damn well better believe as they do or your out the door. In other words, it is a very selective grace, and humans (specifically THEM), not God, do the defining.

There is a certain vein of Christianity that has become a religion of hate in the truest sense of the world. They profess to be evangelicals, but they have no burden for the lost. They actually would prefer the lost STAY lost, as they don't want to see these people's faces in heaven.

I was the Christian of all Christians. I studied the Bible, I worked on street ministry teams, heck, I even worked the phones for three Billy Graham Crusades. But because I dare question not the doctrine, but the manner in which it is delivered, I have been branded a heretic.

Those who know me might observe the new avatar (unless you'rte having the same problems I'm having with JU on some computers where it keeps displaying my old one). You might also note the one letter "X" responses I have left on several threads. The X does not denote "the unknown" as one might suspect, or any other affiliation, but rather the censorship that has been brought about as I've been exiled from mainstream Christianity for my "radical" views.

While I remain faithful to Christ, I refuse to remain faithful to the apostate church (note, please, I am not condemning INDIVIDUALS within those churches, but the churches themselves, who are unfaithful to their calling). My commitment was, and is, to Christ and Him crucified, not to a building or the "esteemed elders" who judge a man's worth by his financial standing. I will have nothing to do with the religion of hate that characterizes so many "Christians"; as my allegiance is with Christ.


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on Nov 15, 2007
100% man made religion.

.A.
on Nov 15, 2007
Aeryck,

Please do not patronize my threads.
on Nov 15, 2007

I was the Christian of all Christians.


'This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.'

.A.
on Nov 15, 2007
Aeryck,

I will thank God daily that my salvation is not dependent upon your acceptance or rejection of me.
on Nov 15, 2007
Oh, and thank you for proving the point of the article!
on Nov 15, 2007
HI Gid,

Hang in there...and trust in the Lord....give all of it to Him..He's the Good Shepherd.

Your title for this bugs me in that it's good and not so good.

Christianity is God's revealed holy religion...Christianity hates evil and is God's lessons in how we are to persevere against evil which takes many shapes and forms...by the devil, the world and the flesh.

From the way I read it, it might be more correct as--- "Christians: A People of Hate?

on Nov 15, 2007
Christianity is God's revealed holy religion...Christianity hates evil and is God's lessons in how we are to persevere against evil which takes many shapes and forms...by the devil, the world and the flesh.


You are correct, of course, and James gives the perfect definition of religion in James 1:27.

The word has been co-opted and bastardized, though, and no matter how much we may believe otherwise, the people like aeryck who are a blight on the face of the faith are far more noticeable sometimes.
on Nov 15, 2007
Gid -

I know you have experienced that vein of Christianity. I have not, at least not locally. I've been accepted at every church I've been to. I think it's an individual church thing, and an individuals within the church thing. Who makes up the church and who is leading the church is a huge portion of whether or not the church will be welcoming, accepting, and loving.

The Bible says not to discriminate among believers, don't give the rich the best seat while telling the poor to stand or sit by your feet. Catering to certain people is one of the things that kills a church - as soon as you start catering to a person, you're no longer catering to God, right?
on Nov 15, 2007

I will thank God daily that my salvation is not dependent upon your acceptance or rejection of me.


I agree it is neither dependant upon you or I, but upon the blood of Christ alone.

But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ.
(Ephesians 2:13)

.A.



on Nov 15, 2007

There's a funny thing I've witnessed.  Often the most sinful people are the most devout Christians you ever did see.  Guess because they think they're saved that gives them free reign to be rather despicable.

~Zoo

on Nov 15, 2007
I guess because they were despicable, they knew they needed to be saved.
on Nov 15, 2007

Oh, and thank you for proving the point of the article!


Dear Gid,

It is a pleasure.

When I was eighteen, I was sitting in the back of a car driven by twin brothers. The one twin was dying of leukemia and the other survived. I was a young believer, trying so hard to walk the walk by works. I was having little success in my goal of being a 'Christian of Christians', and was expressing my frustration from the back seat. To which Don eventually addressed when he turned to me and said, 'My grace is sufficient'. I was gobstopped, but it was a lesson well learned. A few months later he went home to be with Jesus.

I keep this one foremost in my mind when I meet folks that promote the old works doctrine.....(thanks Paul)

'And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then is it no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.'

.A.

on Nov 15, 2007

Often the most sinful people are the most devout Christians you ever did see.


Wherefore I say unto thee, "Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little."

And he said unto her, "Thy sins are forgiven."

(Luke 7:47-48)

.A.
on Nov 15, 2007

I guess because they were despicable, they knew they needed to be saved.

But if you keep doing the same old shit, then it's not going to help.

~Zoo

on Nov 15, 2007

Wherefore I say unto thee, Her sins, which are many, are forgiven; for she loved much: but to whom little is forgiven, the same loveth little. And he said unto her, Thy sins are forgiven.

"Oh, darnit.  Looks live I've killed again.  Sorry, God."

"Oh, don't worry about it, it's cool."

~Zoo

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