The journey from there to here

I was busy wiping computers for the end of the semester much of the day, so the first I heard of Jerry Falwell's death was when I logged onto JoeUser. And I must say I am disappointed.

There's a lot of celebrating going on of the wrong kind. A lot of people making judgements on Jerry Falwell's life that did not know the man in any way, shape or form. While I don't know the man either, I have known many like him, and almost every Falwell "type" I have known has been a kind individual if you truly got to know them. For many, Jerry Falwell and people like Fred Phelps are interchangeable, when from all accounts I have heard (and I have heard plenty), nothing could be further from the truth.

The amazing part of it all, the truly astounding and unbelievable part is that so much celebration comes from the "tolerant" left. The same people who demand we be "tolerant" of gay lifestyles, and a whole host of other lifestyles that many Christians do not consider Godly, is entirely INtolerant of people like Falwell, people who spoke their mind even when it was unpopular to do so.

I am not saying I agreed with Falwell all, or even MOST of the time. I am saying that if you demand tolerance, perhaps you should start by offering some. By living the example you hope to see others live, and by realizing that even when they are disagreeable, people like Jerry Falwell have as much right to their opinions as anyone else.

Jerry Falwell was a man who lived what he believed. And I can't fault that, even when I felt he was wrong. He was a man who truly tried to make his world, his country what he perceived to be a better place. Was he right? Was he wrong? I don't know if we'll ever know in this time. But I DO know this: if more people in this country put forth the effort that people like Mr. Falwell did to make their country a better place, we would certainly be much better off.


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on May 15, 2007
Who on JU is "dancing on his grave"? Did I miss something?
on May 15, 2007
Well, most of the comments seem pretty happy to see him go. Frankly, when I pass, I'd hope even my enemies could give a 24 hour grace period to refrain from comment.
on May 15, 2007
Well, most of the comments seem pretty happy to see him go


But who were the tolerant preaching lefties you wrote about. I saw Terp write an article (I certainly don't think he's a lefty), Tex commented (okay, there's one lefty for you, but I saw no grave dancing), Modman put in his two cents (he's certainly not a liberal), and then the liberal/libertarian Sean offered his condolences to the family.

So, who are you referring to when you say this?

The amazing part of it all, the truly astounding and unbelievable part is that so much celebration comes from the "tolerant" left.


on May 15, 2007
I've been in the thick of this news all day today. I was hoping later to give my take on all this. Right now my son David and Aly his girlfriend are down there on campus and playing camerman and reporter for Fox News since they couldn't get anyone down there for three hours. I don't even get Fox so if anyone out there see's Aly (her picture is on one of my latest blogs) let me know ok?

I've already heard the left's awful comments. This man was not nearly as bad as he's been made out to be. I saw him last week in person. I was able to see live in person his next to last sermon that he preached. I was totally amazed at what I've seen down at Liberty. Sean Hannity was saying the same things I did about Liberty and Falwell today on his program right after I said it to my boss. It was funny to hear Sean express what I just articulated about the man and His university.

Sean was right on about the man.

on May 15, 2007

Gid if you die before I do certainly I shall be sad at your passing and will offer prayer for your soul and peace for your family.

I believe Falwell to have lived as a hypocrite. My opinion of the man and where he went. No disrespect intended to his family.

on May 15, 2007

Modman put in his two cents (he's certainly not a liberal),
Reply By: shadesofgreyPosted: Tuesday, May 15, 2007

 

I'm Not? Yikes.......... Well meg I use to be, does that count?

on May 15, 2007
I didn't know I had to pretend to like him for 24 hours after his passing. Lots of people we don't like die. Just because they're dead doesn't mean they weren't douche bags.

Am I the celebrating, intolerant left?

I didn't realize I was so important.
on May 15, 2007
But who were the tolerant preaching lefties you wrote about. I saw Terp write an article (I certainly don't think he's a lefty), Tex commented (okay, there's one lefty for you, but I saw no grave dancing), Modman put in his two cents (he's certainly not a liberal), and then the liberal/libertarian Sean offered his condolences to the family.


Not all of the stuff I read was on JU. This was just where I first heard of it. And I've seen a lot of "ding dong the wicked witch is dead" out and about. The JU article was the segue, mainly.

Terp's article rubbed me the wrong way, as did Tex's reply. I'm no fan of his, by a long shot, but I don't think that dancing on anyone's grave is very appropriate, personally.
on May 15, 2007
I believe Falwell to have lived as a hypocrite.


Did he live as a hypocrite, though? A hypocrite is, of course, one who preaches one thing and does another. I would be very interested in seeing where he lived a life inconsistent with what he preached. I don't know tons about the guy and I'm willing to concede the point if it can be proven.

There's a very mean, very nasty lady who lives in this community. When she passes, I won't be celebrating, even though I will be relieved. In deference to her family, I think I could bring myself to shut up for a few hours, though.
on May 15, 2007
I'm Not? Yikes.......... Well meg I use to be, does that count?


Sure. Why not.



I didn't realize I was so important.


Nice to be important, isn't it?

Not all of the stuff I read was on JU. This was just where I first heard of it. And I've seen a lot of "ding dong the wicked witch is dead" out and about. The JU article was the segue, mainly.


Okay, I'll believe you but your article doesn't say that. Your article says you saw the news on JU and you are disappointed. There is no clarification that your disappointment or your later condemnation of the tolerant left refers to someone outside of JU.
on May 15, 2007
I think I could bring myself to shut up for a few hours, though


What does a few hours matter? Seems arbitrary.

on May 15, 2007
What does a few hours matter? Seems arbitrary.


I'll tell you why it matters, Tex. Because in my opinion, saying "Jerry Falwell, burn in hell" right after Jerry Falwell dies is no different than saying "Matthew Shepard burn in hell" right after Matthew Shepard died. You didn't say those words, I know, but that seemed to be the overwhelming sentiment. I didn't feel it was right when Fred Phelps protested at Matthew Shepard's funeral, and I don't feel it is right when the virtual community exhibits similar sentiments at the death of Falwell. Sure, everyone's got the right to their opinion, but sometimes tact and class rule the day.

Your article says you saw the news on JU and you are disappointed. There is no clarification that your disappointment or your later condemnation of the tolerant left refers to someone outside of JU.


True. I'll concede that.

on May 15, 2007
But who were the tolerant preaching lefties you wrote about. I saw Terp write an article (I certainly don't think he's a lefty), Tex commented (okay, there's one lefty for you, but I saw no grave dancing), Modman put in his two cents (he's certainly not a liberal), and then the liberal/libertarian Sean offered his condolences to the family.


a) i prefer to be referred to as a "progressive libertarian" lol

for accuracies sake, i had "thoughts and prayers" for both him and his family.

c) i agree that "dancing on someone's grave" is highly innapropriate. like i pointed out there, will repeat here and have written about elsewhere, sometimes you need to take a step back from all the "politics" and just be a decent human being.

d) but equally innapropriate is using the death to attack the left in a stereotypical manner. esp. when all the "dancin" has been comin from elsewhere. i watched sharpton on hardball tonight and he was hardly "dancing" but pointing out common ground, crediting him fro his work and convictions, etc, etc...now, what will olbermann say? tune in @ 8, MSNBC...before the debate on Fox.

on May 15, 2007
i watched sharpton on hardball tonight and he was hardly "dancing" but pointing out common ground, crediting him fro his work and convictions, etc, etc...now, what will olbermann say?


The public figured know better than to do this, sean. But there are a lot of individuals who feel differently.

Let's hit the DU for a few samples, shall we?

When you spend your life sowing the seeds of hatred, don't expect anything less than dancing and pissing on your grave.


The part where he burns in Hell?

He enthusiastically contributed to the sorry state that this country is in now, he can rot in hell!

Would you be embarrassed if the Jews were celebrating the death of Hitler? (Funny, I missed the part in Falwell's bio where he loaded gays onto trains and sent them to concentration camp!)

Now, I must be fair here. There were MANY posts by people who decried this behaviour, as I have done here as well. But that does not change the fact that many of the very people who scream for tolerance are the most intolerant. I know. I grew up with one. A father that I haven't spoken to in years because I don't rubber stamp his liberal beliefs. His version of peace and love extends only insofar as you agree with him.
on May 15, 2007
Better rubbed the wrong way than not rubbed at all.
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