i really wish that people would stop using the democratic underground, a fringe group of radical loons, who represent no one except their small ranks. they hardly are the "voice of the DNC" or anything.



extrememly true, but intolerance knows no party bounds. people who really respect the rights of others defend the rights of their enemies, not their friends...that's easy.

sidenote: it's kinda funny that over on the side @ the "google ads" is a Liberty U ad right on top. then a "are you going to heaven or hell" quiz. then the songs of "jerry reed." then another college ad...it doesn;t really have anything to do with jerry or this article, just made me chuckle a bit. i don't recall ever seeing a liberty u ad on those, did jerry have to die to make that happen and increase enrollment? lol ...and i wonder how jerry reed is taking the residual attention? i think this might be the 1st time he's been noticed since he lead the bandit past all those smokey's and onto the track to collect the loot.

(please don't take that as a swat, like the "ghost" comment i made on another thread, i consider that to be "wake humor" not trashing the man)

Sean,

I have to respectfully disagree here. My family is PREDOMINANTLY Democrat, and the DU looks like a rehash of family reunion discussions. I also spent many years working with the Democratic Party. These discussions are not at all atypical, Sean. Not by a LONG shot!

i can respect that. disagree, but certainly respect the difference in perspective, opinion and experience.

i'm curious to how the huffington post covered it( not the comments, but their actual reporting) and some more established (in my mind) liberal / democratic sources.

but right now, i'm gonna turn this computer off and go catch the debate.

cya'll later...have a great night:)

Gay. Debates come a dime a dozen. You're supposed to be watching the series finale of Gilmore Girls, one of the last good shows on TV.

Gid - I'd have to say that in just the last few years Falwell's words about what had happened via Hurricane Katrina and Rita were enough to remind my why I disrespect(ed) his brand of Christianity.

On the one hand he looked a bit, and sounded a bit like a Rev. from the church I went to as a child.  A man that is still a good friend of my family.  A man that I do respect and appreciate for his devotion to his calling.  A man that seemed far more real to me than did Falwell.

Sorry, but like Tex I'm not gonna hold my tongue and sit on my words until some period of mourning has passed and it's ok to say what I was thinking all along.

Falwell's efforts to control politics in this country never sat well with me.  I don't mind, and in fact perhaps even encourage some belief in faith in my leaders, but I don't need someone that is telling me that God is not on the side of my enemies standing beside me.  I don't need someone that tells me that this event or that event is God's way of taking out his wrath on someone.

While I am well aware that the Bible is full of passages about the vengeful God, I'm also aware of passages about a forgiving God.  A God that supposedly loved the world and all humanity enough to send his only begoten son down here to save our souls.

I don't need the fire and brimstone preaching to tell me how to behave, and don't care for the preachers that use those methods.  I especially don't care when those people push hard for censorship and manhandling of the music I hear, the TV I watch, etc.

Now, if you'll excuse me I have a Styx Mr. Roboto concert to dig up and remind myself why Falwell was such a disaster for my entertainment choices over the last 30 years.

The rise of the "Religious Right" really started with old Jerry. One of the reasons that I was not a fan of Reagan and the Republican party when he had the ear of the prez.
remember we are supposed to be a secular nation. jerry was busy trying to force his beliefs on an entire nation. There is nothing wrong with the education you can get at the college he founded though.
Would I piss on his grave? No
Do I really care that he died? Again, No.
I am also certain that his surviving family will want for nothing financially.

OK, so the next time Phelps protests a funeral you'll back him?

I can pick and choose who I think is a douche bag and who isn't. I don't abide by the "don't talk ill of the dead" thing. If you were an asshole and you died, you're still an asshole.

I don't have to support Phelps because it's not about "time of mourning" to me. His message disgusts me and that's why I have a problem with him.

Big diff between text on a blogging site and shouting at a funeral, too.

OK, so the next time Phelps protests a funeral you'll back him?

Pardon my ignorance, but who?  And why should I be concerned or supportive (or not supportive)??

I think TW is right again with her comments above ^^  (quote below)

I can pick and choose who I think is a d----- bag and who isn't. I don't abide by the "don't talk ill of the dead" thing. If you were an a--hole and you died, you're still an a--hole.

Oh, wait, perhaps I should really go all out and censor that as Falwell would have had me:

 

 

 

... just enjoy this nice white space ...

 

 

... for it is pretty much what would have remained if Falwell had gotten his way over time ...

 

Starting to see the picture?  Nope.  No pictures either.  Artistic value or not, gotta censor it away because it might offend someone along the way.

 

You are right in your point that Falwell believed (or appeared to believe) strongly in what he stood for, but he was so dead wrong on some of those positions that it set things back much more for his cause than anything the other side could have done.

Falwell was much like Sheehan is now, started out well meaning but became such a joke over time as to not be significant.

The weird thing is that Falwell had almost gotten back to what I might consider mainstream, but just about every time he did he'd fly off the cuff and stir up the pot enough to put himself back with the Pat Robertsons of the world.

Again, thanks, but no thanks.  I'm smart enough to decide for myself what is worth getting worked up over.  I don't need Falwell and his friends and cronies to tell me what to think, no matter how much they may have wished otherwise.

Fred Phelps. The man who celebrated Matthew Shepard's death long before he went around protesting soldiers' funerals. I did not believe his celebrating Matthew Shepard's death was in any way appropriate, and I don't feel celebrating Falwell's death is appropriate. Especially since most people only know him by sound bites.

Was Falwell a good man or a bad man? Yes. That's the only answer I can give. Like anyone, I'm sure there were elements of both in him. But I look at the people around him, the people who loved him and respect him, and they weren't mind controlled drones.

I'm totally with you here. They're dead; they don't care, and even if they do, well, suffer. We shouldn't have to claim to like someone just because they did the decent thing and karked it.

i really wish that people would stop using the democratic underground, a fringe group of radical loons, who represent no one except their small ranks. they hardly are the "voice of the DNC" or anything.

Dont forget Elizabeth Edwards.  Hardly a non-mainstream person, either now, or in 2004. And with a bit of luck (and hair spray), she WILL be the DNC.

Gid, I saw Terp's article, but until this morning, none of the others on JU.  And I try to avoid du.org as anyone with half a brain could ghost write their stupidity and hatred.  But unfortunately, I do listen to radio, and the talking heads they have had on have been almost as bad as du.org.  I know he was a very polarizing person.  And many do not like him.

But I would wish that these partisans (talking about the talking heads, not the JU comments), could at least keep the hate and glee out of their commentary as they are SUPPOSED to be non-partisan.  But then using non-partisan when speaking of Professors or reporters is an oxymoron.

Sometimes talking about intelligence and the former groups is one as well.

btw...olbermann was pretty respectful last night in his report.



exactly.