The journey from there to here
Published on March 12, 2007 By Gideon MacLeish In Misc

On a couple of other threads, we've had a couple of people getting on extolling the benefits of eating organic foods. While I believe in eating healthy, and I believe in eating naturally, I am increasingly becoming of the opinion that eating organic is bad for the planet, and that, ironically, organic food eaters who claim to "think globally" are, in fact, bigger contributors to world hunger than fatso Americans who chow down on large pizzas.

See, "organic" farming is basically one of the biggest rackets ever invented. Basically, the idea is that you can't use any "unnatural" chemicals or pesticides in the foods, and there cannot even be pesticide residue in the ground. Because of thie, the organic certification process is one that takes many years to attain; years during which the price benefits of organic labelling cannot be realized, but the pesticides and chemicals cannot be used. When all is said and done, the farmer gets the "organic" label and can put that stamp on it. But not until (they really should do a "schoolhouse rock" on this!)

What organic food fans are missing is that these chemicals are often processed out of the very things they use to control pests and increase their yields. They're just in a concentrated form. Veggie steroids, if you will.

Organic food necessarily has a lower yield per acre. Because the farmer can't use chemical fertilizers or pesticides, much of the crop can be lost to pests or to lower productivity. This is one of the reasons organic food is so much more expensive than commercially grown agriculture.

As the demand for organic food increases, more acreage is set aside for organic gardening, which is priced well out of the reach of the average consumer. $2 for ten pounds of potatoes is quite enough, thank you; I don't need to pay 5 bucks for the organic variety. So the organic food basically will only be sold to a niche market, and never to the hungry or needy on the planet.

This planet has a finite amount of arable land. The more that is set aside for organic gardening, the less land can be used to provide food for Third World countries, or even America's hungry. This increases food prices for all of us, leaving the have nots with just a little more to not have. Ironically, many organic food eaters chide meat eaters for using up resources to raise the meat they eat that could be better used lower on the food chain.

You want high quality, fresh produce? Take a spade and turn over a few feet of your backyard. Or, if you live in an apartment, look into square foot gardening. But when you insist on buying only organics, you are taking away resources needed by the poor. And hurting the planet in the process.


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on Mar 12, 2007
Penn and Teller really hit this issue hard in one of their first episodes of Bullshit. They focused on Norman Borlaug, who realizes that using inefficient food production methods is just wrong on a commercial scale.
on Mar 12, 2007
Unless one eats rocks all food is organic. The "organic" food industry is a crock of shit. (btw, shit is organic too)
on Mar 12, 2007
Interesting, greywar. I'll have to read up on him more.

I personally am a huge fan of biotechnology because of its potential to feed many people more efficiently. But I believe every American should have their own garden because we need to learn some degree of self sufficiency. The organic gardening can take place in my greenhouse, not in Del Monte's bean fields!
on Mar 12, 2007
The "organic" food industry is a crock of shit.


Nail on the head award for that one, Mason.
on Mar 12, 2007
I plan to make my own baby food for Izzy when she is old enough to start solids, and I have been hearing a lot about the importance of organic food. Because babies' digestive systems are still developing, I think going organic for infant food is a pretty good idea.

I have tried to grow things before, and I completely suck at gardening. I fail every time I try. Even in Hawaii where everything grows.

on Mar 12, 2007
Your call, Tex. I agree with the making your own baby food thing (we have never purchased baby food; the only baby food our kids ever ate was food that was given us as samples, etc). And I agree with making sure you're using good quality foods.

My main issue is with "organic guilt". From three different sources, I've been criticized for feeding my family inexpensively; because I wasn't using organics, well, I wasn't giving them real nutrition. And, to be honest, I'm way past the "piss off" point. I have nothing against the individual decision to use organic produce, but like everything else, get really, really annoyed by people who try to shove that POV down others' throat.

We're hoping to eventually grow our foods in a greenhouse; ironically, when we harvest, we can't call it "organic" because we didn't pay the organic food mafia...lol!
on Mar 12, 2007
I never really understood the big thing about organic. I like yummy foods that aren't rotten and eaten up with bugs.

It is making sense to me, though, to go with the freshest, safest stuff I can with my baby, though, since an infant's digestive tract is so sensitive and they are so prone to allergies. Not so much because something is "organic", but mainly just trying to go with things that are not processed and don't have anything added.

Which is what is great about making baby food. This will be my first time doing it, but I'm kind of excited about the idea. Of course this is still several months away (I also plan to skip infant cereal, which is a controversial idea in itself, LOL).

Honestly, my boys don't eat a lot of veggies. I try to get them too, but they aren't big fans. They are pretty good about fruit and they drink tons of water, but they aren't too adventurous when it comes to vegetables. They will eat a small amount with a meal because I ask them to, but if it's something with veggies mixed in it or just as a healthy snack, they are NOT interested. And I refuse to fight my kids over food. My parents did that with me, and I remember how badly that sucked (heh, they do too!).

From things you've written on JU, it sounds like your family eats far healthier than mine.

I'd tell the organic douche bag to STFU.



on Mar 12, 2007
Oh, and I didn't even know until today that meat could be organic.

on Mar 12, 2007
From things you've written on JU, it sounds like your family eats far healthier than mine.


I leave out the Crunch Berries binges...lol!

BTW, in addition to the Suburban we bought an old truck for hauling off of Gene. I can't wait to put a camper shell on it and put the kids through the torture that is the family fishing trip! Lake Meredith, here we come! LOL!
on Mar 12, 2007
I leave out the Crunch Berries binges...lol!


LOL, your kids do that too?

My boys go through at least a box of cereal a piece per week. It's even worse when Adrian's home.

BTW, in addition to the Suburban we bought an old truck for hauling off of Gene. I can't wait to put a camper shell on it and put the kids through the torture that is the family fishing trip! Lake Meredith, here we come! LOL!


Sounds really fun! I love trips like that.

I thought Lake Meredith sucked, though, haha. It barely had any water!

Do you ever go to Greenbelt?


PS - When I get ready to start making food for Izzy I may look you up for some tips.
on Mar 12, 2007
I thought Lake Meredith sucked, though, haha. It barely had any water!


Lake Meredith has WALLEYE! And there's been a lot of snow in the Rockies, so it looks good for the lake to rise quite a bit this year. It was looking pretty bad there for awhile.
on Mar 12, 2007
#1 tip...ice cube trays! Make up a big batch and freeze it in ice cube trays. Take the cubes and put them in ziploc bags. You can take out a cube, nuke it, and it's usually just about the right amount.

LOL, your kids do that too?


Well, technically the Malt O'Meal version (big surprise there, huh? LOL!) but yup. We get the BIG bag and we'll OD on crunch berries from time to time...lol!
on Mar 13, 2007

If one takes organic farming to its natural conclusion, we would be back in the 18th and 19th century where the majority of labor of this country (and indeed the world) was devoted to farming to feed the masses.  Seems like people did not live very long back then either.

Eat healthy and die from nothing.

on Mar 13, 2007
Let's open a can of worms, Gid. What about GM and cloned meat? The US will be one of the first countries (according to Sky News), to offer meat and milk from the OFFSPRING of cloned animals. Heard the story? Have any thoughts?

As far as organic goes it sounds like a rip-off now but the medics say our bodies will eventually benefit from having less chemicals in the food we eat. Problem is: Is organic really organic?
on Mar 13, 2007
How can anything "really" be pesticide/chemical free in this world? Doesn't the same polluted rain fall on organic farms as on farms who use chemicals? If there is a drought, don't they use the same water supply as the regular farmers to water crops?

I don't get it.
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