The journey from there to here

(Note: This is a RANT. I am in a ranting mood today, so I'm going to rant away).

There is a couple in town, a pentecostal "preacher" and his wife, who travel in and out of town. In the several years they have been here, they have not once had to purchase a vehicle, they have acquired 7 properties, only three of which they have actually had to purchase, and they have filled many buildings with the various items that have been given them by people from the area and from where they come from back east. In the home where they currently reside, their windows were replaced with donated materials and with labor from one of the people in one of the local churches that they regularly badmouth, they've had complete sewer lines replaced in both of their residential locations, and now have the promise of having a roof built by the same individual that did their windows. People complain about this couple, but they line up around the block to give them everything and anything they beg for.

I have long said that I don't have a problem understanding why bad things happen to good people. I have a hard time, however, understanding why good things happen to bad people. In the case of this "preacher" and his wife, they aren't so much bad people as they are professional beggars. He has no church, does not preach anywhere regularly, and solicits these donations on the understanding that he will give them to the people in the local community. These donations end up at their house, where they pick through the choice items and occasionally give a few items away that they can't use to be able to show they're giving SOMETHING.

I mentioned earlier that they haven't purchased a single vehicle since they've been here. Yet they sold two of the vehicles that they had been given, and not to families in need, but instead, for the highest price they could get for them. Much of their income is derived from selling things that were donated for them to give away.

Meanwhile, I've been working six days a week at remunerative employment (usually seven days a week when you count other obligations) for the past two years. I'm working hard at finishing my online college courses and beginning working on "real" college courses in less than a month. And we're facing the impending death of our fourth vehicle in the past two years, all of them purchased out of our own pocket, and all of them at significant cost. We're praying that our car holds together until Friday, when we can pay off the repairs on another car and hope it, too, holds together. The alternative will be calling this "preacher" for a ride, and paying more in gas then he actually uses. Because I have to do what I have to do to take care of my family. And some of the same people in the church that have labored to remodel his house despite his disparaging of the church have turned a seemingly cold shoulder to us...because we committed the unforgivable sin of attending the church for sometime and then leaving it for another church. (note to pastors of such churches: that's NOT a way to encourage people to return).

During this same time, I have offered help to every motorist I have seen stranded, I have given groceries to every family I know of that is in need. I admittedly stopped tithing to the church, but I did so precisely because, no matter how faithful we've been in our tithes, not one church has EVER helped me a) land a decent job; keep my transportation running. We decided, rightly or wrongly, that our income needed to be reserved for our needs first, not the church's.


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on Aug 07, 2006
Wow, great article Gid and covers a part of the reason that I'm not currently a fan of any organized religion.

I've met good people of the cloth and some bad as well. It sounds like the folks you've described are professional beggars and are taking gross advantage of the communities good will.

Hopefully those people will meet their just rewards at some time in the future. I'm reminded somewhat of the Jim and Tammy Faye Bakker (or was it Baker?) which should have been FAKER. Those people bilked thousands, if not millions, of people out of their money which was contributed to the church but was instead spent on lavishness for themselves.

I continue to hope for better things for you along the way, and am still very proud of the approach you are using to empower yourself and set a great example for your children. You are an inspiration for others to follow, as compared to the piss poor example of humanity you've cited in your article here.


Btw, while I'm thinking of it, sorry that the bad things have been pulling down your M's and my Nat's, but I guess that's a good sign that we're cheering on the good guys rather than the bad (such as them there Yankees!). I guess you could say the same thing about your fantasy baseball team (as it seems you've had the good guys bad luck this season ) Hopefully you'll get a chance to check back on your team though and perhaps Karma will reward you in the future.
on Aug 07, 2006

I mentioned earlier that they haven't purchased a single vehicle since they've been here. Yet they sold two of the vehicles that they had been given, and not to families in need, but instead, for the highest price they could get for them. Much of their income is derived from selling things that were donated for them to give away.

You know, I saw the a similar thing happening at our last base, and I understand your rage about it. 

There was a couple across the street who were literally broke.  They had two little girls and they were struggling to feed and clothe them.  They started coming to our church, and once people found out about their situation, they started giving them things - clothes, furniture etc.  Those mofo's turned around and SOLD half of the things they'd been given at a yard sale.  I'd given the woman some clothes, and I was highly pissed to see ALL of the things I'd given her out on her yard with prices like $5 and $10 on them.  They also sold the AC units that they'd been given so they would qualify for a loaner AC unit from the military housing office. 

They just didn't get it, Gid.  They just took and took and took and made money off of other people's charity.  Sounds to me like your 'pastor' is doing the same thing.

I agree with LW.  There's a place online where you can get ordained - I did it years ago.  The actual ordination is free, but you have to pay to get your certificate.  If I were you, I'd do it.  You could start having meetings in your backyard and it would be a good platform for your other activities too!

on Aug 07, 2006
It's like my granddad used to say, "Never trust a rich preacher"
on Aug 07, 2006

I'd given the woman some clothes, and I was highly pissed to see ALL of the things I'd given her out on her yard with prices like $5 and $10 on them.

That takes BALLS!

Sorry about your situation Gideon.  I hope things do get better, but until then, rants are good for the soul.

on Aug 07, 2006
Yet they sold two of the vehicles that they had been given, and not to families in need, but instead, for the highest price they could get for them.


That's got to be illegal, right? I mean, it has to, doesn't it????
on Aug 07, 2006
Man Gid that does suck big time.

Someone once said, "You can tell what God thinks about money by the people He gives it too."

Har. Now that isn't always the case, but in my personal experience it is usually the case.

Hang in there. Things won't always be this tuff.
on Aug 07, 2006
Either

1. The people who donate are more gullible and naive than you, or

2. They're better Christians than you, or

3. Being a good Christian goes hand in hand with being gullible and naive.
on Aug 07, 2006
First, I do not see how you could know so much about another person's life.

Two, all of us will have to give an account of ourselves to God when we die.

Three, you tithe to a church because you understand it helps God reach people, not just cause you want a job.

Four, I finally graduated from a Bachelor's of Science degree in Psychology from a Christain regionally accredited university only to meet the reality that I may die as a taxi driver.

From denying myself life by being obssessed with a college degree and not getting anything out of it I Iearned that a lot of what we experience has to do with how we view life.

You know. It is that whole "is the glass half full or half empty" thing.

I would say if I spent my life lamenting my existance because of what I think the other guy has and what I think I don't have, it wouldnt matter how much milk was in the glass.
on Aug 07, 2006
"is the glass half full or half empty"


Or maybe the glass is too big.
on Aug 07, 2006

Or maybe the glass is too big.

That is an engineer.  Welcome to the club!

on Aug 07, 2006
I fail to see the 'Good Things' that are happening to this man and his wife.
I would think a Good thing would be something that is unexpected with a bit of luck thrown in.

He is obviously well-liked by his followers and they want to do these things for him. I would agree the man is more akin to a professional beggar, and his followers are suckers most likely, but the man has does have the right to do what he is doing, and he may very well feel he is doing god's work by taking donated these items.

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Sorry Gid, I missed a portion of your art.
He is a true beggar and it sounds like he is in a cycle of taking and the other people are just so used to giving to him, it has become a custom.

I would say rather than 'Why do good thigns happen to bad people' - 'Why do people feel they need to give to lazy do-nothings just because they have in the past'
on Aug 07, 2006
Either way, it's just another freakin' glass that needs to be washed.

Unless it's a Dixie Cup
on Aug 08, 2006
Geech that's terrible! I guess they don't have a concience when they take the best stuff and only give a way the 'backwash or what left' to those who really do need it! There's a saying "Every dog has is day". There will be a day when they will have theirs so don't worry Gid! Ranting is good though, get's it all out!
on Aug 08, 2006
It all comes down to focus Gid. Where are you putting your focus? I'm doing a study on Ps 73 and it's very similar to what you just wrote about. This is a place we're taught to look at life from an eternal perspective. Asaph looked around and saw bad guys prospering and good guys suffering. Ps 73 goes right to the heart of it and gives us ways to respond to our own difficult circumstances and to encourage others who are struggling to understand theirs.

We need to examine our focus,(v1-12) examine our conclusions (13-16) and then view life from eternity's perspective (17-24). Only then can we focus on eternal riches (23-28).

alot of times our eyes are on the personal happiness of others and the physical world. As long as we focus on those things we will never understand what God is doing. We will lose our motivation of obedience when we do such things and as you seem to indicate. This is why a "good" church with a faithful Pastor is so important.

You need to find a church that has a Paul or Timothy at the head of it. Someone that you can go to to help sort these kinds of things out with you and help you grow.
on Aug 08, 2006
First, I do not see how you could know so much about another person's life.

Two, all of us will have to give an account of ourselves to God when we die.

Three, you tithe to a church because you understand it helps God reach people, not just cause you want a job.


We live in a community of 500 people, jesse. I know about this man's life because he's at my doorstep at least once a week begging for something because he "has no money". I didn't insert myself in his life, it's just the dynamics of a small town. But, boy, were you mighty quick to judge me there!

As to number 3, you just don't get it! If I'm out of work, I'm the one I need to depend on. If I need food, I'M also the one I need to depend on. Car repairs, clothing, etc., you name it.

The church was COMMANDED to care for the needs of others, jesse. Not suggested, but COMMANDED. The way I see it, most pastors are misappropriating the tithing money. If they won't spend it as they are supposed to, then I will use the money to make sure others' needs are met.

It's not just me. I know others with needs far worse than mine...and there is no burden by the people in the church to meet them.

Just one thing to add, jesse: my car is ESSENTIAL to my working, to my earning a living for a family. NOT optional, but ESSENTIAL. Do you think I would be more spiritual if I stopped working because I didn't have a vehicle to do the job?

And dharma, and LW, actually, for the record, I AM ordained...but I believe faith is about more than begging. Maybe it's me that's got it wrong, though
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