The journey from there to here
Published on February 4, 2006 By Gideon MacLeish In Politics

In reaction to the publication of an offensive image of Mohammed, Protestors have taken to the streets, lighting the Danish and Norwegian embassies in Damascus on fire. Apparently ignorant of the concept of free speech, this violence is in retribution for the governments allowing the publication of the offensive cartoon.

When discussing the outrage, pundits have rightly turned to the now notorious "Piss Christ" in order to establish relevance in our majority Christian society. It is an apt comparison. And the response of the offended groups in question show a decided difference between the way that practitioners of the Islamic and Christian faith react to offenses.

Now let me state that the Christian reaction to "Piss Christ" was, in my estimation, ridiculous. But at no time did it turn into violence. Let me further state that it is entirely possible that the thousands putting these embassies to the torch are not representative of the Muslim faith, but rather of fringe elements among the faith. As noted before (September 11, notably), whenever these attacks occur and are committed by Muslims, the mainstream Muslim community is slow to denounce them (the "Piss Christ" debate, on the other hand, was quite lively in the Christian community, and I still chuckle at the image of buttoned down pastors struggling to force out the word "piss" in their protestations of the controversial piece).

Muslim leaders have been working hard to remake the image of Islam into that of a group of peaceful citizens working to make the world a better place. And some of them are. Matter of fact, the MAJORITY of them probably are, or we'd have a whole lot more instability than we do. But there's a SIZABLE faction that is, indeed, Islam's ugly side, and it MUST be addressed before we can seriously consider Islam's claim for "peaceful religion" status.


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on Feb 04, 2006
The people who represent you are your representitives. If Islam is willing to sit silently while terrorist murder Israelis, and then burn embassies when a cartoon is published, they have decided how they want to be represented.

People who say the blame lies with the newspaper are simply saying that the fault is not that of the violent, but the people who expressed themselves. If this is treated that way, we'll continue this environment of "Oh, you didn't want your reporters beheaded? Well, you should have watched your mouth.

The blame for violence is the violent, and the Muslims who sit quietly and watch horror and then only rise to protest when someone publishes a cartoon that offends them.
on Feb 04, 2006

Let me further state that it is entirely possible that the thousands putting these embassies to the torch are not representative of the Muslim faith,

You got that right!  Assad did it!  Nothing happens in Syria without his ok!  This is so blatant, I think I am going to change my response to Adnauseum's list.

on Feb 04, 2006
Islamics, at least those still in their homelands and not working on infecting the West, have no concept of Free Speech, of course, and Mohammad is a taboo subject, at least for humorists.

You used "Piss Christ" as an example; a talk radio show yesterday pointed out that "Rolling Stone" recently had a cover that depicted Kanye West as Christ, wearing a crown of thorns, and in the act of being crucified. Some Christians, while offended, did not march on and torch the RS offices. They responded with letters, calls, and e-mails.

Forgiveness, after all, is a cornerstone of the Faith, as are acceptance and instructions against being judgmental (which, I might add, is a hard one to resist).
Meanwhile, grudge-nursing, easy offense and vindictive spitefulness seem to be cornerstones of Islam.

Perhaps Jesus Christ has more of a sense of humor than Allah?
on Feb 04, 2006

You got that right!  Assad did it!  Nothing happens in Syria without his ok! 


That is a most interesting point, and one I neglected to think about until now.

Note that Syria is a secular national-socialist dictatorship, like Iraq was. Muslim fundamentalism is the occasional (and current) ally of Arab national-socialism, but not very strong in Syria, certainly not stronger than the government.

Also note that the countries where Islamic fundamentalism IS strong (Saudi Arabia for example) where strangely quiet compared to relatively secular regions like Syria and Palestine.

Is this the Arab national-socialists in Syria and Palestine trying to lead the fundamentalists?


Perhaps Jesus Christ has more of a sense of humor than Allah?


I can assure you that G-d won't be happy when these violent protesters die and tell Him what they did about the cartoons!

on Feb 05, 2006
The "Piss Christ" contraversy is a great analogy here. You are right, while a lot of Christians were offended, the most anyone really did was call for the government to quit supporting such crap. The "Piss Christ" thing also shows the double standard among some Muslims themselves. To the Muslim faith Jesus was a prophet, just as Abraham and Muhammad were prophets. So why didn't these Muslims react to the desecration of the prophet Jesus like they are to the desecration of the prophet Muhammad?
on Feb 05, 2006
It is a shame the majority of the muslim community did not protest about 9/11, the London bombings or any of the other terroist actions that have happened in the name of Islam. Perhaps if they showed the same revolt for these attrocities as they do over someones opinion of thier religion, I might then see Islam as a "peaceful religion" if there is such a thing.
on Feb 05, 2006
If these lunatics are the fringe, then let me pose this to you:

If there are 1.8 billion muslims in the world (or any other incredibly large number if I am off), I think if only 1/10th of 1% of them fought as hard against the terrorism rising out of their midst, that would be 1,800,000 people of the Muslim faith actively and visibly doing what needs to be done.

Where are the mass protests by these 1,800,000 people? If there were 1,800,000 people "turning in" the agents, sympathisers etc of the radicals, changing the education of their children, etc, I believe the problem would be solved in years, not decades.

Where are these 1,800,000 good people of the muslim faith????
on Feb 05, 2006
I know I have blogged before on the insensitivity of these cartoons, and I stand by my views, but I am shocked by the reaction to this in some cities of the Middle East. I have three points:

-Surely security in defense of these embassies could have been better? Is there a third agenda?
-Denmark was a leader in fighting apartheid in South Africa. Has everyone forgotten this?
-The Muslim youth are quickly agitated and apt to become over-zealous in any protest--even if they don't know about, or support, the cause.
A sixteen year old will throw a stone or burn a car because he is told to do so. If he is out of work he is likely to expend his anger on any worthwhile target.
It is the same as the "soccer yob" syndrome but more destructive. Instead of blaming the religion we should perhaps be blaming the governments of these countries.
Remember: "It is easy to incite the disconnected youth than it is to provoke the comfortable man."
on Feb 05, 2006

-Surely security in defense of these embassies could have been better? Is there a third agenda?


Such security is usually provided by the government of the host nation. Since the burned embassies were in Syria and Lebanon (which is still to a large extent controlled by Syria), I think it is safe to assume that the Arab Nazis in Syria are behind the burning.

Did they attack embassies in Saudi Arabia?



-Denmark was a leader in fighting apartheid in South Africa. Has everyone forgotten this?


Perhaps the Arab Nazis remembered? They like apartheid, and they hate blacks. And they really liked the idea of a western government they could point to as an example of the same racist attitudes in the west.



-The Muslim youth are quickly agitated and apt to become over-zealous in any protest--even if they don't know about, or support, the cause.


True.
on Feb 05, 2006
Islam is the apartheid in this situation. Islam is the one trying to silence the press. Adherants of Islam are the ones subjugating women and lopping off body parts to keep power in their nations. Adherants of Islam are the ones who seem to be starting every sentence with "Death to..." Adherants of Islam are the one preaching racial hate of Jews, and calling for the destruction of Israel.

So, I don't think your comparison is too apt, frankly. Apartheid was about crushing freedom, and in this instance Islam seems to be all about that. It would seem logical, then, that Denmark would continue their embrace of freedom by frowning on Islam.
on Feb 05, 2006
I say it here and now. Someone is formetting this violence on purpose. To pit Muslims against
Christians.

Who is left if those two go at each other?
Who is to benefit?
SOMEONE or SOMETHING is doing this to create what they can point at and say is a "clash of
civilizations"
on Feb 05, 2006
>It is a shame the majority of the muslim community did not protest about 9/11,
>the London bombings or any of the other terroist actions that have happened in the name of
>Islam.

Because most "thinking" people KNOW it was not done by muslims ... it was (in both cases)
an INSIDE job.
on Feb 05, 2006
>Islam is the apartheid in this situation.

You cant seriously compare apartheid and Islam can you.
Apartheid is an ideology ROOTED in racism and implemented SOLEY with violence

>Adherants of Islam are the ones subjugating women and lopping off body parts to
>keep power in their nations.

Yes and we dont seem to have ANY problems with that in Saudi Arabia or UAE or Pakistan
for that matter ... correct me if I am wrong but Sharia law is practiced in all them

>Adherants of Islam are the ones who seem to be starting every sentence with
>"Death to..."

There is a history behind that ... do some research ...
Btw were you aware that after we dropped a bomb on Pakistans province killing 18 innocents,
the chant "Death to America" began IN PAKISTAN

I am just saying these things dont happen in a vacuum

>Adherants of Islam are the one preaching racial hate of Jews, and calling for the
>destruction of Israel.

Jews are NOT a seperate race. Their racial classification remains Caucasian.
Furthermore, they are more connected to the Arabs than you and I.

As for calling for the destruction of Israel ... its not a call for killing of people but
for the righting of WRONGS ...

Also go to your public library ... pick up some books "birth of israel" "how israel was won" "the six day war" and see what Israel leaders were saying about Palestinians and Arabs/Nation in general.

See what they are saying now.
This never seems to make it to the news media.
on Feb 05, 2006
Where are these 1,800,000 good people of the muslim faith????


Indonesia brings to mind at least 20 million. But don't just ask here, check out who your own government considers loyal allies in the war on terror. You'd be surprised how many there are.
on Feb 05, 2006

You cant seriously compare apartheid and Islam can you.
Apartheid is an ideology ROOTED in racism and implemented SOLEY with violence


This could become a good joke:

What's the difference between apartheid and Islam?

One is an ideology rooted in racism and implemented with violence.

The other is some South-African political system of the past.


Also go to your public library ... pick up some books "birth of israel" "how israel was won" "the six day war" and see what Israel leaders were saying about Palestinians and Arabs/Nation in general.


Problem is, we know all these things. We just don't happen to agree that the Jews in the middle east should leave for Europe or live as second-class citizens among Arabs. We also know about the six day war. And we know what Nasser said he would do to the Jews once he had won and why he sent the UN troops away.

Before easy access to information from all over the world, it was so much easier, wasn't it?
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