The journey from there to here
Published on January 17, 2006 By Gideon MacLeish In Politics

I am writing this article for those who would describe themselves as conservative on JoeUser. While you are in the majority here and in the US government, your opinions are often shouted down in the mainstream media and in the world.

Many conservatives are quick to cry that they are victims; that the attacks on their ideologies are unmerited and personal, when nothing could be further from the truth. And yet I, a former leftist, have not been able to find a home among the conservative camp in America.

The ideals you claim are noble: fiscal responsibility and smaller government. Yet, with a majority in both houses of Congress and the Presidency, you've succeeded in INCREASING federal control under tha mask of "accountability", and removing rights from the states, in direct defiance of the Constitution you've sworn to uphold. You've created a potential disaster in No Child Left Behind, and driven many good, responsible teachers with established careers out of education entirely and into other sectors of employment because of the way these goals have been implemented. You've exploited the tragedy that shocked all America on September 11, 2001 to advance initiatives that could potentially effect the implied right to privacy of all Americans, which is not stated outright in the US Constitution, but heavily implied in the first, fourth, fifth and sixth amendments. In 1994, you created a Contract with America that garnered intense popular support, and just as quickly, many of your legislators broke it. You have proven yourselves to be anything BUT fiscally responsible in awarding contracts, tax incentives, and other considerations to big businesses. And while you've preached moral responsibility, too many of your politicians have been caught either with their hands in the cookie jar or at least standing very close to that cookie jar.

You mock and ridicule the left without giving due consideration to what they have to say. Many of the left have good ideas about the nature of problems in our country, even if they're not perfectly in line with the right solutions. I believe that with your understanding of economics, and their understanding of the social problems throughout the nation and the world, we can achieve practical, viable solutions to make a better nation.

This country was BUILT on compromise; politics only works when we are willing to sit down and have open discourse with our opponents. And we can't have that kind of discourse when we wholly disrespect our opponent's  point of view. Many off you think of yourselves as the "bigger man"; let's try to act like it and discuss workable solutions to our mutual problems.


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on Jan 17, 2006
While I can't argue that, under a Republican majority in the House and Senate, along with a Republican president; I will point out that Republican and Conservative are not synonyms. I'll also point out that then it comes to pork spending, neither the conservatives, liberals or moderates (on either side of the aisle) are any better.

That being said, you're right, if "smaller federal government" is a Republican goal, our goals aren't being met.
on Jan 17, 2006

if "smaller federal government" is a Republican goal, our goals aren't being met.

Right. And I believe it's time we hold our legislators' collective feet to the fire.

I will point out that Republican and Conservative are not synonyms.

Point taken. But most (not all) conservatives tend to support Republican candidates, and this was addressed largely to them.

 

on Jan 17, 2006
The fact is that not all conservatives support small government more than they support an aggressive foreign policy, particularly at this moment in history. And thus an administration that pursues an aggressive foreign policy while failing to make government smaller, still very much succeeds as a conservative administration.

on Jan 17, 2006
Very well said ParaTed. You should have named this "For Republicans Only". I can understand beefs with the Republican party. I personally have felt we have been dealing with chosing the lesser of two evils for some time now.

I am a personally responsible conservative who has never claimed to be a victim. I don't depend on the government to take care of me. I am not part of the religious right-wing but I do believe that people have the right to religious freedom and am sick to death of the PC wars going on in our society today.

I might not be a fan of Bush but I honostly believe that we are safer and better off today with him in the White House than we would have been with Kerry/Edwards.
on Jan 17, 2006

. You should have named this "For Republicans Only".

The reason I didn't is because it was a direct counter to my "for Liberals Only" thread.

on Jan 17, 2006
I agree that we, conservatives and liberals, are more prone to kick each other for our beliefs than to sit down and admit that we agree on the problem and must find a middle point in which we can agree on a solution.

It's not easy to debate when the person one is debating with can not see beyond the one solution they have reached and is unwilling to listen to anything one says even when it could be a fact. Eventually ones fustration gets the best of us and we give in to the name calling and insulting of the other person. This is something that we should avoid for all one does is lower ones standard and give more fuel to those who search for ways to fight back.
on Jan 17, 2006
What if I mock and ridicule the left because I have given due consideration to what they have to say, and found that they do not have good ideas about the "nature" of problems in our country?

I'm all about compromise, but what am I supposed to do when as a conservative I hold that some problems will always be with us because of human nature, and liberals hold that some problems will be with us only because of the nature of white male cultural supremacy, and that no compromise is possible until we undo all of civilization and then rebuild it without the influence of white males?

Take them seriously?

I mean, I'm all about compromise when it comes to gay marriage: let the states decide, and let the federal government stay out of it. Some states could approve it, and others could ban it. Each state works out its own solution. Or, at the very least, let us put it to vote, and amend the Constitution, according to the principles of compromise on which this country was founded. Unfortunately, the opposition faction doesn't seem to be interested in compromise. I guarnatee you, if they were, there'd be a lot more of it going on. The lack of compromise isn't coming from the conservative side. It's the liberals who are acting in bad faith.

Heck, I'd even compromise with CG, if there was any issue he showed any willingness to meet me halfway on.
on Jan 17, 2006
well gid I read for liberals only and for conservatives only but youi left out.

"FOR MODERATES only. I feel slighted now.
on Jan 17, 2006

My biggest beef with liberals is they claim that they are all about peoples' rights until the majority is proven to disagree with them.  In that case, the majority is just uneducated or ignorant to the issues.  We couldn't possibly know what we are talking about if we disagree with them.  We need to be protected against ourselves....bull flop!

 

on Jan 17, 2006
Reply By: JillUserPosted: Tuesday, January 17, 2006My biggest beef with liberals is they claim that they are all about peoples' rights until the majority is proven to disagree with them. In that case, the majority is just uneducated or ignorant to the issues. We couldn't possibly know what we are talking about if we disagree with them. We need to be protected against ourselves....bull flop!


hence one of my favorite sayings "liberals aree only liberal when you completely agree with them"
on Jan 17, 2006

Point taken. But most (not all) conservatives tend to support Republican candidates, and this was addressed largely to them.

A cookie for Parated!  And a wagging finger for Gideon.  I know, support the libertarians, and I would have voted for one this past year if any were running. But when the choice is Kedwards, Hillary, Kennedy Dean, or "anyone else", what are we to do?  Allow the liberals to win and grease the slide into the cesspool?

on Jan 17, 2006
Allow the liberals to win and grease the slide into the cesspool?


LOL you sure do have a way of coining a phrase
on Jan 17, 2006

You of all people should know that Republicans and conservatives are not necessarily the same. 

The modern conservative makes up people from libertarian angles as well.

The "liberal" side of things is relegated to people who are largely socialists and I find nothing liberal about people who want the government to control my life.

on Jan 18, 2006
One truth in this Blog is that Conservatives ARE NOT conservative. Their fiscal polices, spending and nation building are 100% in the opposite direction. We need to return the GOP to the center. Balance the budget, Stop pork and markups on bills in Conference Committee and stop Nation Building.
on Jan 18, 2006

We need to return the GOP to the center. Balance the budget, Stop pork and markups on bills in Conference Committee and stop Nation Building.

COL,

If we need to return the GOP to the center, why is it not equally appropriate to return the DNC to the center? Individual and religious rights are under strong attack from many on the left who perceive the individual to be property of the state, a concept FAR removed from that which our founding fathers envisioned. Religious beliefs are openly ridiculed among the left (see many position papers from self described leftists on abortion, intelligent design, and gender roles within the home, for instance). That's why I wrote the two as "sister" articles: we ALL need reform in our thinking and to bring ourselves back to what's truly important: the best interests of ALL Americans.

You of all people should know that Republicans and conservatives are not necessarily the same.
The modern conservative makes up people from libertarian angles as well.
The "liberal" side of things is relegated to people who are largely socialists and I find nothing liberal about people who want the government to control my life.

I was painting with a broad brush this time for a very specific reason. I wanted to capture some generalizations about the direction of those who claim conservative and liberal ideologies, including third party affiliates who describe themselves as such (yes, even libertarians and socialists). If I were to use the separate political identities of each, I wouldn't be able to do justice to all sides. Even within the context of these two articles, i didn't BEGIN to do justice, but, hopefully, provided a few talking points.

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