The journey from there to here

The National Organization of Women has denounced Penn State University Football coach Joe Paterno for defending one of his players against a rape charge by a female student of the college. While his words may not have been stated in the most diplomatic fashion (he should have said, simply "Let's wait until the facts are in in this case before passing judgement"), I understand and agree fully with his intent.

You see, when I attended college, although I lived off campus, I would often hang out around the dorms. Because I was single, I had the full meal plan so that I didn't have to worry about dinner, as it was funded by my student loans. And I lived a half block off campus. So I was very involved in the day to day college life. I would usually hang out in the dorm room of a couple of fairly close classmates, and would often crash there on nights when video game sessions were too intense for me to feel inclined to make the 2 block walk home.

The suitemate of these guys was a freshman, a smart guy and a pretty good student. He attracted the attention of a young lady, and they started dating. One night he took her home to his dorm room. My friends were in their dorm room as well, separated only by the shared bathroom.

Well, the two did what freshman college students will do, and the young man walked the girl home to her room. The next day, the girl had a case of "buyer's remorse" (there's GOOD evidence she was talked into what followed by a group of militant female supremacists who worked hard to dominate the campus, and were, I believe, a strong part of the reason the college closed its doors three years later, as their values STRONGLY conflicted with those of the heartland community where the college was located...but I digress). She reported the incident to the campus police as date rape, and the young man was arrested.

He would eventually be exonerated by the police, as my friends, mere feet away, swore strongly that there was NO evidence that she had protested his advances (and, as anyone who's ever lived in a college dorm can attest, a vocal protest can usually be heard halfway down the hall). As well, many of her friends in her hall testified that she didn't say anything about the possibility of rape after she returned to her room, and that she appeared to be in a good mood. The case was never even brought before a grand jury.

But the university DID take action. He was expelled from the university, with the incident on his record, to tarnish his image at any future university he might wish to attend.

Now, I have to take the middle ground here. I can't say whether or not rape occured. Only two people in the world can, and they had differing testimonies. I do know that delayed reporting is common in rape cases, and that the young woman's delay in reporting the incident is neither evidence for or against, and I do know (but knowing the character of the suitemates, I highly doubt) that in such cases, guys tend to stick together. And for this reason I remain conflicted to this day. But I CAN say that this young man's future was potentially ruined over what may well have been a fabricated allegation.

I can also say that I don't know what happened in the Penn State incident. I know less about it than I do the case I cite (where, even with all the facts, I STILL couldn't conclusively say whether I believe the rape occured or not). But I believe, very firmly, that we should let the investigation proceed without assuming guilt on the part of the player. And I believe that Joe Paterno should be able to go into retirement without this allegation by a female supremacist group staining his otherwise sterling reputation.


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on Jan 11, 2006
Incidentally, and taking nothing away from your tale of woe (or is it WHOA!), the football player in question was not a Penn State student. He was not, nor had he ever been, one of Paterno's players at all.

Link

Paterno's remarks came a day before the Orange Bowl, when a reporter asked about Florida State linebacker A.J. Nicholson, who was accused of sexual assault and sent home before Tuesday's game.

Paterno replied by talking about past suspensions of Penn State players.
on Jan 11, 2006
My bad. His answer, then, should have been "No comment. That's not my program, and I know nothing of the faacts in this case. Ask someone who does."
on Jan 11, 2006
He then added: "There's some tough -- there's so many people gravitating to these kids. He may not have even known what he was getting into, Nicholson. They knock on the door; somebody may knock on the door; a cute girl knocks on the door. What do you do?

"Geez. I hope -- thank God they don't knock on my door because I'd refer them to a couple of other rooms," Paterno continued. "But that's too bad. You hate to see that. I really do. You like to see a kid end up his football career. He's a heck of a football player, by the way; he's a really good football player. And it's just too bad


While I agree that we need to make sure that all the evidence is in before we make determinations on rape cases (and that should be done by a court, and not the court of public opinion), Paterno's statement was disgusting.

Paterno basically said that when a cute girl knocks on your door, you've got no choice but to have sex with her?!? Come on. Can you really not see what NOW would be upset about? And for Paterno to follow it up with the equivalent of "such a shame, cause he's pretty damn good at running around with a football" is just thoughtless.
on Jan 11, 2006
PS. I think that NOW is going a bit overboard with the resignation, but Paterno should apologize for his comments.
on Jan 11, 2006

Paterno basically said that when a cute girl knocks on your door, you've got no choice but to have sex with her?!? Come on. Can you really not see what NOW would be upset about? And for Paterno to follow it up with the equivalent of "such a shame, cause he's pretty damn good at running around with a football" is just thoughtless.

I dont agree.  I think he did not say it elegantly, but then he is a football coach, and not a PR man or a lawyer.  He was fumbling for a response to a bad question.  He accused no one, nor passed judgement, and therefore has no appology to make.  He simply related his experiences.  Bad or good, experiences are not to be judged in the light of a PC atmosphere, but just on whether the person acted rightly or wrongly.  In this case, Paterno did nothing wrong.  I would not nominate him for toast master of the year, but then I doubt he is even in the running.

on Jan 11, 2006
I would not nominate him for toast master of the year, but then I doubt he is even in the running.


I wouldn't think that anyone who thought that there was no choice but to sleep with any girl who knocked on his door would be suitable for molding young minds (and yes, college students are still of the age where their minds are mold-able).

Gid--I'm surprised, you are usually one for personal responsibility and not playing the victim card, but that's what Paterno is saying--the kid's the victim here because a pretty girl knocked on his door, and whatever else was he to do? You don't want any judgement to be made about whether or not the guy is guilty, I'd appreciate it if Paterno didn't imply that the girl is a floozie.
on Jan 12, 2006

You don't want any judgement to be made about whether or not the guy is guilty, I'd appreciate it if Paterno didn't imply that the girl is a floozie.

That's why I agree that this was poorly handled. It should have been a simple "no comment" for precisely that reason.

As Dr. Guy pointed out, though, Paterno is no PR man. Like many other football coaches, stick a mic in front of them and eventually they'll say something stupid. And it's the eight second sound bite where they say something stupid that usually makes the evening news.

I don't agree with what Paterno said here, shades, but that wasn't meant to be the main point of the article. My concern was with false or, at least unproven allegations and how they can ruin the lives of individuals, such as in the case I cited.

I AM for personal responsibility, and think the college student in the situation I described especially should have kept his thing in his pants. But, although the facts of the case are in dispute, he was expelled from the college and his academic career ruined without due process, and with the presumption of guilt. Now, if the school had decided to suspend him for the remainder of the semester until the facts could be discovered, and reinstate him with no marks on his record once the situation was resolved (remember, the criminal investigation found no wrongdoing), I would not have felt that to be excessive. After all, the young woman (I won't say lady...whether the man in the case was guilty or innocent, ladies don't go into men's dorm rooms at midnight) was at least an alleged victim and should have been allowed distance from the accused until the situation was resolved.

on Jan 12, 2006

I wouldn't think that anyone who thought that there was no choice but to sleep with any girl who knocked on his door would be suitable for molding young minds (and yes, college students are still of the age where their minds are mold-able).

You see, he is not saying that.  But he is saying that a knock on the door, a "come here big boy" will usually elicit a positive response from a male adolescent.  That is not an opinion, that is basic human nature, right or wrong.  He is not saying that you should bed anyone that knocks on your door (makes a note not to knock on a college atheletes door), but if the lady is willing, the man (usually, there are exceptions) will be willing.

on Jan 12, 2006
Sorry about my last answer--it should been to Dr. Guy--I clearly need to read better...Gid, I think we are pretty much in agreement.

But he is saying that a knock on the door, a "come here big boy" will usually elicit a positive response

And who is he to assume that she knocked on the door and said "come here big boy." Like I said, I'd appreciate if the female wasn't assumed to be a floozie. Paterno put his foot in his mouth, and should, seeing the error of his statment, issue an apology (especially to the girl involved)