The journey from there to here

As the discussion on JU revolves increasingly around food, I thought it interesting to add my little piece. We have a couple vegetarians around here who have discussed their food choices. While I respect everyone's different preferences, I've come to realize a fair amount about diets over the years.

I am a "semi-vegetarian"; which pretty much makes me the Rodney Dangerfield of eating habits. Traditional meat and potatoes folks can't comprehend why I eschew all but the occasional offering of red meat (especially in north Texas where the steer is king!), and vegetarians can't comprehend why I'm not a full fledged vegetarian.

The answers to both are quite simple, actually. See, I don't have a problem with meat on any sort of moral conviction, but rather from a more healthy and gobal mindset. I learned years ago (from the revised edition of the book "Diet for a Small Planet") that the earth actually has more than ample resources to support the population of the planet if only we would steward our resources wisely. This means making wise choices in all of our consumer based decisions. For instance, we attempt to buy food in bulk because most bulk items use less packaging per unit than smaller quantities, and most packaging is not biodegradable and thus a candidate for our compost pile. We attempt to cook our meat and vegetable dishes separately because the uneaten portion of the vegetable dishes can be contributed to the compost pile. Both of these decisions are made because of the consideration that less garbage on our part means less of a contribution to the landfill.

In diet, this means that we eat low on the food chain. It's common sense, really, that it would require less resources to eat plants than it does an animal that CONSUMES plants, but we really don't think much of our individual impact on the environment. Poultry and fish require less resources than cattle, and, additionally can be raised on your own property if you strive for any sort of self sufficiency.

But even knowing this, we must understand how to use these vegetables properly for different reasons. Many vegetarian/vegan products rely on soy as their base. While soy has many positive nutritional benefits, as the father of four girls, the phyto (plant) estrogens in soy have me concerned about the potential for overuse, in light of possible complications with the girls' reproductive systems as they get older. With that understanding, our use of soy is often balanced (I use lentils frequently for "meat" dishes; we make lentil tacos, simply substituting cooked lentils for the ground beef, and I make a lentil "meatloaf" that I have been making since LONG before the commercial product using same was available, I also have a lentil "egg salad" that goes wonderfully in pita bread with some alfalfa sprouts for picnics....but I digress). As to the myth that it costs more to eat a vegetarian diet, I have found that the amount you save by NOT buying meat cancels out the additional cost for organic foods and calculating for loss due to spoilage from a shorter shelf life.

Knowing all of these things, we challenge ourselves to at least two vegetarian dinners per week, and rarely do we have red meat on hand. Vegetarian cooking requires forethought and planning to produce a variety of healthy, attractive meals (as well as a knowledge of how to combine vegetable proteins to get complete proteins, as no one vegetable source contains all of the essential proteins), but once you're acquainted with th variety of foods out there, it isn't so tough. And it's pretty cool to serve a vegetarian dish to a dedicated meat eater and have it pass muster. I personally have a vegetarian mushroom stroganoff (note to Mason: I DO have vegan substitutions, if you want the recipe) that does the trick for a lot of folks. But, see, I love a good steak. And I love Indian curry dishes, especially chicken (although for the vegan, it's also very good if you use tofu for the "meat"). So, while I tip my hat to those who ARE fully vegetarian or vegan, I won't be joining you anytime soon. lol.


Comments
on Jan 10, 2006
While I admire vegans for the courage to stand behind their convictions, I also cannot see myself joining their ranks nor the ranks of the vegetarian.

Truth is, I like meat too much.

I believe that all things in moderation is the key. Like you, Gid, I see that eating "too high on the food chain" can lead to health problems. I have tried diets which cut out carbs, complex carbs, fat, etc. All of these diets have fallen short.

I have found that as long as I burn more calories than I take in, I lose weight. Startling but true.

And as far as non-weight-loss dietary choices? I am happiest when I partake of a wide variety of foods, including veggies and fruit. With small children at the dinner table, it's difficult to please everyone and still eat healthy. But we try to have veggie meals every so often.
on Jan 10, 2006

By your deffinition, I am a semi-vegetarian as well.  I love a good meal of vegetables, but then when the mood strikes, I will eat that cow (usually at a restaurant).

IN my latter years, I have found that steamed vegetables are best as the natural flavor is kept, but they are nice and soft so I am not crunching all the time (altho I have been known to raid the vegetable platter at parties first as well).

on Jan 10, 2006

By your deffinition, I am a semi-vegetarian as well. I love a good meal of vegetables, but then when the mood strikes, I will eat that cow (usually at a restaurant).

Well, by the "TEXTBOOK" definition of "semi-vegetarian", neither of us qualifies, as, to a purist, a semi vegetarian won't touch ANY red meat.

But I think textbook definitions are nuts. I rarely touch red meat, and know several "semi-vegetarians" who actually eat red meat more than I do (including one who refused to look at the ingredient label on pepperoni, rationalizing that it ust be a fish and therefore acceptable). I would say that over 90% of our meat protein comes from fish, chicken and eggs.

on Jan 10, 2006

(including one who refused to look at the ingredient label on pepperoni, rationalizing that it ust be a fish and therefore acceptable).

Hey!  If he wants to believe that, I am not going to argue with him!

on Jan 10, 2006
With small children at the dinner table, it's difficult to please everyone and still eat healthy. But we try to have veggie meals every so often.

Here's an example, as I just got off the phone with my wife:

Tonight we are having stuffed shells (cottage cheese and spices) smothered with pasta sauce and a salad on the side. One of the few non-meat meals my kids will willingly stomach. Last night we ate tuna cakes and hush puppies.

one who refused to look at the ingredient label on pepperoni, rationalizing that it ust be a fish and therefore acceptable

Just in case you didn't already know, and for the sake of the 'duh' moment we all share sometimes, pepperoni is not a fish.
on Jan 10, 2006
Just for the record, there's no such thing as a "semi-vegetarian". You either are, or you aren't. That said, I understand what you mean.

I like meat. It just doesn't like me. I use a lot of meat substitutes in my recipes, usually soy (tofu) of some kind.

Gid, the whole scare issue regarding phytoestregens is just that. A scare. There are Asian cultures for whom soy is the primaryu staple of their diet, often along with rice, and there is no evidence that either men or women in these cultures suffer any ill effects from these chemicals at all.

Yes, hormone drugs can and are made from soy extracts but they are very very highly concetrated derivatives many thousand times the levels natuarlly found in soy.
on Jan 11, 2006
Far more scary, and actually truthful, is the growth hormones in dairy products. The primary one being IGF-1. Amazingly, this protein is identical in cows and humans, all 70 amino acids in exactly the same sequence. Since milk is by definition a protein and hormone delivery system - seeing that infants are unable to produce these on their own, and obviously have tremendous growth needs - these hormones survive digestion and have the same effects on the body. Think about the action of growth hormones when you no longer are growing in an upward direction.

Also, and I'll have to check on this, but I'm pretty sure that the research that said no plant based protein sources contain all of the essential amino acids was flawed.

Of course I still eat meat and some cheese, but for taste pleasure, not health reasons. If only there were a soy cheese substitute that was actually edible. Soy ice cream is delicious though, better than milk based ice cream, in my opinion.
on Jan 11, 2006

Gid, the whole scare issue regarding phytoestregens is just that. A scare. There are Asian cultures for whom soy is the primaryu staple of their diet, often along with rice, and there is no evidence that either men or women in these cultures suffer any ill effects from these chemicals at all.

Mason,

The research I have done indicates otherwise. Now, let me be VERY clear, I'm not talking about regular consumption of soy. One substantial difference between the US and Asian cultures is that they eat significantly less. Almost any substance when taken to excess can be damaging to the body, and we, as Americans, have an appalling tendency to eat to access.

Now, to the other point. I respect you greatly, Mason. I hope you know and understand that by now. But I have to take STRONG exception to the "all or nothing" mentality that you push. I feel that when you propagate the "all or nothing" mentality, you are, in fact, working against yourself, as many individuals, moved by the compelling arguments against a diet so rich in meat proteins as the case in the typical American diet, would be inclined to reduce their consumption if it weren't for the "better vegetarian than you" snobbery that predominates the mindset of many vegetarians and vegans (not saying you have this mindset; if you have, I haven't seen it; but your statement "there's no such thing as a semi-vegetarian" is a common one among those who hold that mindset).

For every piece of evidence you could produce arguing for a completely vegetarian diet, I could produce one arguing for a diet with moderate meat intake. The fact that BOTH of our sources are in dispute by credible, respected scientists would indicate there's still a lot we have to learn. With that in mind, I have tried to gradually make my diet more in line with Old Testament dietary laws, understanding the one that knows our body needs and functions best would be the one that DESIGNED it.

on Jan 11, 2006

Also, and I'll have to check on this, but I'm pretty sure that the research that said no plant based protein sources contain all of the essential amino acids was flawed.

Umm, actually, from everything I have read, it's pretty strongly substantiated research. But at any rate, that wasn't my point. I know very well that you can obtain complete proteins by combining different vegetable proteins....usually a grain and a legume (add some barley to your lentil soup, serve the beans over rice and there you have it).

And, as a sidenote....Mason, you'll be happy to know I once made a complete Thanksgiving vegan dinner, just for the challenge. And the family LOVED it (make your gravy with vegetable stock thickened with corn starch).

on Jan 11, 2006
For every piece of evidence you could produce arguing for a completely vegetarian diet, I could produce one arguing for a diet with moderate meat intake


I could be wrong, but I think that Mason was going more for the definition of the word than a philosophy. Vegetarian means someone who doesn't eat meat--so if you eat meat, no matter how little, you aren't a vegetarian.

For medical reasons, I was on a vegan diet for most of my sophmore year of college. I already wasn't a meat eater, and I was told to not eat any products containing lactose (doesn't leave you with a whole lot of options). I gave it all up when I ended up with walking pnuemonia and chicken pox. Clearly, I didn't have a clue about how to eat a healthy vegan diet.

I'm still not a big meat eater--and I'd normally pick chicken over beef (with the exception of tacos) anyday...
on Jan 11, 2006
Vegetarian means someone who doesn't eat meat--so if you eat meat, no matter how little, you aren't a vegetarian.


Actually, literally speaking, a vegetarian would mean someone whose diet consists entirely of plant foods or foods from plant sources (the only vegetarians in a TECHNICAL sense, though, are vegans...I will readily acknowledge that). While this may seem an issue of semantics, it isn't, as I will explain.

"Semi-vegetarian" would indicate, then, someone whose diet consists ALMOST entirely of plant sources (which, by the way, would render my definition more technically correct than that of those who use it to mean those who eat only fish or chicken proteins). It could also indicate someone who is working towards a vegetarian diet, but who, for various reasons, can't make the "complete" transition at this time.

If we want to quibble about vegetarianism, though, I would quibble that the VAST majority of self described vegetarians don't pass muster. Why? they eat processed foods, which often contain animal fats.

I'm not arguing this point just to argue it, shades. I have seen a LOT of snobbery as regards "serious" vegetarians, and they almost universally put down everyone who doesn't subscribe to their own narrowminded view of a healthy diet. I think their attitude is counterproductive, as almost any serious study would conclude that, AT BEST, meat proteins shouldn't comprise more than 5-10% of our diet, and most Americans eat vastly more. Because of the "in your face" and, ironically enough, "holier than thou" attitude of these militant vegetarians, many Americans miss the point and do damage to their bodies, when they might be less inclined to do so if the truth were brought out in a more realistic, less confrontive manner.

Am I making any sense at all here?
on Jan 16, 2006
Interesting article. I do agree, the word semi-vegetarian is a bit of a oxymoron. I do believe though that any reduction in meat products in anyone's diet, IS a big step in the right direction. I have written a cookbook specifically with meat eaters in mind, Not Just for Vegetarians, hope you will stop by my website to check out recipes and reviews. I do think that a lot of wannabe vegetarians are turned off by the "beige and bland tofu and sprouts" recipes that have been the perceived idea of a vegetarian diet. This is just not the case anymore. Cheers from the Canadian Prairies, Geraldine
www.notjustforveg.com
on May 01, 2006
I like what you do, continue this way.