The journey from there to here
Published on December 30, 2005 By Gideon MacLeish In Politics

I have noticed an interesting trend among apologists for the left lately. When referring to the Iraqi dead, they will often use the number of 1.5 million, rather than the 30,000 acknowledged by even LIBERAL estimates to have died since our invasion of Iraq. When pressed, they will acknowledge that the 1.5 million number includes those estimated by the UN to have died as a result of sanctions.

Why is this ironic? Well, all it requires is a memory span of just over three years to understand this. You see, it was just about three years ago when the debate on invading Iraq began to gain serious momentum that the left argued that continued sanctions against Iraq were preferable to the invasion. Yet, by their own admission, sanctions have cost 50 TIMES the number of lives as the invasion has. Now granted, sanctions have been in place longer than the amount of time we've been in Iraq, but still, when you consider 12 years of sanctions, the body count in Iraq averaged over 100,000 per year by the UN's own estimates, vs. the 10,000 per year since we invaded Iraq in this conflict. That means over 90,000 Iraqi lives were  SAVED by our intervention. I believe if you were one of the more than a quarter million Iraqis who owed their lives to our intervention, you'd be the least bit grateful.

In attemtping to mount their argument AGAINST the war, then, ironically the left has mounted probably the strongest argument FOR the war. The fact is, the authors of these talking points HAVE to have seen it. My guess is, they were hoping to shock us with the 1.5 million number without having us ask questions. Congratulations to those who were smart enough to ask.


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on Jan 04, 2006
Australia has Chemical Weapons specialists in our military. It's not a role that's exclusively offensive, unless of course you believe those vicious rumours about the real reason for the existence of the platypus.


Who knows what evils lurk in them duck bills. ;~D

Whilst I'm inclined to believe that Iraq had most of them for 'research purposes', it seems unlikely though that in the face of numerous foes with chemical capacity (Iran, Israel, the US, etc) all of their experts would be offensive.


Yet any kind of Chemical weapons program was in direct violation of the Ceasefire agreement of 91 and Applicable UN Resolutions.
on Jan 04, 2006
Yet any kind of Chemical weapons program was in direct violation of the Ceasefire agreement of 91 and Applicable UN Resolutions.


Yeah, but you made a blanket statement. Gotta be careful with those - we're all just a few blanket statements away from the Colonel. Better not to walk down that path at all, even if it does mean that sometimes you end up sounding like a bureaucrat.
on Jan 04, 2006
It might if you were actually smart enough to know what it meant! Let me help ya!


1. poofter
another word for a homosexual you fucking poofter!
Source: UnKnown, Feb 13, 2003

2. Poofter
A passive or emasculated male.Stop babying him like that! You're going to turn him into a poofter!
Source: Reed, Feb 17, 2004

3. poofter
A male homosexual, often one who is also effeminate in his mannerisms. Used exclusively in a negative sense by heterosexuals. Word variant: poof


I'm sorry that I'm not up on the latest in hate speech. I generally spend my time researching things other than the latest derogatory terms for homosexuals.


You know if you actually paid attention you might learn something! "If" you had been paying attention you would have "noticed" that I took the trouble to highlight #2. Which incidental has nothing to do with homosexuals! I would not demean a group of people like that by associating you with them.
on Jan 04, 2006

1. poofter
another word for a homosexualyou fucking poofter!


Vilification on the basis of sexual persuasion/choice/whatever is currently the PC term for it is against the TOS you know - careful Dr!


What was put there was a direct quote from a web based dictionary. And like the other guy you didn't pay much attention either. I very specifically highlighted #2 which has nothing at all to do with "anyones" sexual preference.
on Jan 05, 2006
Which incidental has nothing to do with homosexuals! I would not demean a group of people like that by associating you with them.


Um okay. Enough with the personal attacks. I was only trying to point out that you need to be clearer, possibly by not including the entire definition if you only mean it in one sense. Personally I would take a definition which ended with - you fucking poofter! as pretty offensive if I asked someone what a word meant, or is it an example of usage? I assumed it was your editorial input because it's pretty unclear, especially as the words run on to each other, a common sign of edited html code.

My apologies as I appear to have misunderstood your crystal clear prose.
on Jan 05, 2006
Yeah, but you made a blanket statement. Gotta be careful with those - we're all just a few blanket statements away from the Colonel. Better not to walk down that path at all, even if it does mean that sometimes you end up sounding like a bureaucrat.


I made a statement specific to Hussein having a chemical weapons program, which was in direct violation of the ceasefire and the UN resolutions.
on Jan 05, 2006
Um okay. Enough with the personal attacks. I was only trying to point out that you need to be clearer, possibly by not including the entire definition if you only mean it in one sense. Personally I would take a definition which ended with - you fucking poofter! as pretty offensive if I asked someone what a word meant, or is it an example of usage? I assumed it was your editorial input because it's pretty unclear, especially as the words run on to each other, a common sign of edited html code.

My apologies as I appear to have misunderstood your crystal clear prose.


No, my apologies to you! It would seem, (at least to my eyes) that I wrote the last sentence of my reply to you incorrectly! It should have read.....
Which incidental has nothing to do with homosexuals! I would not demean a group of people like that by associating him with them.


Once again, my apologies to you!
And yes the f***ing poofter part that was left in and run together was an example of usage. I went back and re-read the original site. I did not edit the code, the way it shows here is the way it showed there. Now in hindsight I wish I had read it a little better prior to posting it.
on Jan 05, 2006
Stevendedalus, I'm wounded...
You stepped up to the plate and apologized to me on my blog; so I humbly submit the same to you.

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