The journey from there to here

I have listened to both sides of the debate on Bush and the NSA wiretaps. I still contend that a decision of guilt or innocence at this point is premature, but if the facts are as we now have them (that Bush had the program reviewed and there was congressional oversight), then Bush cannot be considered to be guilty of any crime as regards the NSA wiretaps. Whether or not the individual congresspersons are guilty for not taking the matter before the full House and Senate is another matter entirely, and one that would require greater scrutiny.

You see, the President is the head of the Executive branch of the federal government. As such, he is required to carry out laws enacted by the Congress, and to uphold the Constitution, among other duties. And Congress is SPECIFICALLY authorized by Article I, section 8 of the United States Constitution, "To regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian tribes;" .

Now, here's the kicker. You can't regulate without oversight. The Constitution was written in a time when electronic communication was over a century away, and they could not have foreseen the fact that much commerce would be so dependent on electronic media such as telephones and the internet. But they clearly established that Congress had the authority to regulate commerce between the states and with foreign nations.

The NSA wiretap "scandal" revolves around international calls, which fall within the scope of Constitutional authority. Congress clearly has authority in this area, and the president has authority to carry out the wishes of Congress.

As I review the information as we have it, I am forced to conclude that Bush did no wrong in this instance. Ths NSA wiretaps are NOT a "smoking gun", but if Bush did, in fact, lie about consulting Congress, that might be. If he consulted Congressional leaders as he continually asserts, they should be required to answer for why the authorization was not put to a full vote.


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on Dec 29, 2005
Even Daschle, who is lying through his teeth, does not dispute the fact that Bush did consult with congress.  And the letters that have recently been published by democrats as a CYA, indicate misgivings about the actions, but not that they were discussed.
on Dec 29, 2005
So what you are saying is that if this is so then the question should not be "did Bush do wrong" but instead it should be "did Congress do wrong"?

In other words Bush did his part but Congress may not have and if so why not?
on Dec 29, 2005

Even Daschle, who is lying through his teeth, does not dispute the fact that Bush did consult with congress.

And if he did that, I think it's off his shoulders, seriously. I think the international/interstate commerce clause definitely applies to this, what do you think on the issue?

(as a sidenote: I purchased the "Heritage Guide to the Constitution" from the Heritage Foundation, so I'm going to be dissecting a lot of these issues even further once it arrives).

on Dec 29, 2005

So what you are saying is that if this is so then the question should not be "did Bush do wrong" but instead it should be "did Congress do wrong"?

Yes, I believe that to be the case.

My gut feeling is that the leaders did wrong by not taking the measure to a vote before the full Congress, but even that potential wrongdoing could arguably be mitigated by the fact that we have a Congress that'sbeen riddled with leaks in recent years and that security needs were more important.

on Dec 29, 2005
Bush is the one that issued the secret order that allowed the NSA to spy on Americans without obeying the law. That law even has a provision for the country when a War is declared. Thus, until the 1978 law is repealed by Congress of declared unconstitutional by the court, Bush is obligated to obey the law. He has chosen to disobey that law.
on Dec 29, 2005

COL,

Facts, please, not speculation. I have presented facts, and I deserve to be challenged with the same.

on Dec 29, 2005
Bush is the one that issued the secret order that allowed the NSA to spy on Americans without obeying the law.

The secret order, as I pointed out in my article re:Secret Presidential Executive Order was not a secret to Congress. From fas.org:

The USA Patriot Act in Practice:
Shedding Light on the FISA Process
10 September 2002 -- Senate Judicary Committee


If you look at fas.org, you will find a wealth of links to memos to :
* Statement of Sen. Patrick Leahy, Chairman
* Statement of Sen. Orrin Hatch
* Statement of Sen. Strom Thurmond
* Statement of Sen. Charles Grassley
* Statement of the Hon. David Kris, US Department of Justice
* Statement of Kenneth C. Bass III
* Statement of William C. Banks
* Statement of Morton H. Halperin

Notice the date? 10 September 2002. If these fine gentlemen had problems with the FISA/USAPATRIOT Act issues, they should have mentioned it three years ago.
on Dec 29, 2005
Thanks for the assist, singr.

While I still think there's enough information to at least consider an investigation, I am leaning more heavily to the conclusion that this may well go down as the biggest nonstory of 2005.