The journey from there to here
Published on December 9, 2005 By Gideon MacLeish In Current Events

I heard a very interesting discussion on the kind of legacy that singer John Lennon left, as yesterday was the 25th anniversary of his death. It was correctly pointed out that, although John Lennon claimed to support peace and criticized the US involvement in Vietnam, he remained remarkably silent through the invasions of Prague and Afghanistan, as well as other Cold War Communist actions during his lifetime. It was further noted that his failures as a father to eldest son Julian underscored a hypocrisy in Lennon's life, and that his advocacy for drug use drove many youth to self destruction through their own "experimentation" inspired by the ex Beatle.

I found all of the comments compelling, and, to some extent valid. If you measure Lennon's life up to the time of his assassination, his contribution (outside of his unquestionable MUSICAL contribution) may have been almost as much negative as positive. But rather than indicting Lennon, perhaps we should indict ourselves for equating musical talent with statesmanship, for giving philosophy the status of hard fact. If Lennon's influence was negative, it was only because we followed him, like the proverbial Pied Piper, out of town into the magical kingdom we WANTED to see.

But more than that, Lennon's life was cut short before he could remedy the mistakes that even he had begun to recognize. The better part of the final five years of his life was spent in seclusion, as he tried to be a better father to son Sean and better husband to wife Yoko. And he worked hard to kick his heroin addiction, as described in the song "Cold Turkey".

I am an admirer of Lennon and his musical contributions. Although my philosophy differs from his, it was very similar for more than thirty years of my life, before I began to take a harder look at what I REALLY believed, and what were RESPONSIBLE solutions to the problems that plague our society. In short, the past five years of my life have been far more substantial than the first thirty. John Lennon, being human, was no different in that his youth was spent discovering who he was and what he believed, and that at the time of his death, he had spent a remarkably small portion of his life becoming what he was truly meant to become. Like others whose life was cut short, it would be an injustice to justify his legacy on a simple scale of "good vs. bad". There's a whole lot of living he was never given the chance to do, and a whole lot off answers he hadn't yet found. If he had lived even ten years longer, we might have had a chance to view him in an entirely different light.


Comments
on Dec 09, 2005
But he did not, and hence we can only judge him on what he did do.  Kind of Like Kennedy.  IN this case however, his social activism left a lot to be desired.
on Dec 09, 2005
But he did not, and hence we can only judge him on what he did do. Kind of Like Kennedy. IN this case however, his social activism left a lot to be desired.


I agree with that. I just think we can reserve a LITTLE bit of our edge by knowing his was a life not fully realized (hey, we ALL did stupid things in our youth)
on Dec 10, 2005

he remained remarkably silent through the invasions of Prague and Afghanistan, as well as other Cold War Communist actions during his lifetime

68 was a pretty tumultuous year for lennon.  and yet, that was the year they dropped a surprisingly deceptive lil bomb on the soviet union ('back in the ussr').  then there was 'revolution'.  while jagger/richards were whinin about how fame was keepin them from rioting and singing paens to the undertrodden workin class and members of the increasingly militant new left were spurring each other on to more and more violence, lennon took a lotta flack for 'if you want money for people with minds that hate...all i can tell ya is, buddy,youll have to wait'. 

as far as afghanistan goes, in the 11+ months between the invasion and lennon's death, he spent a lotta time in the studio.  after that, well ya know how taciturn them damn dead people can be. 

on Dec 10, 2005

kingbee,

If I were to judge him on his inconsistency SOLELY because of the invasion of Afghanistan, I would have to concede your point. But this is a man who said NOTHING about MANY atrocities of the Communist nations that DID happen during his lifetime. Prague and Afghanistan were but two points.

on Dec 10, 2005
I think the problem with Lennon and frankly most of the voices of that time were they offered no alternatives, and went out of their way to only villify one side.

I went back and watched Kingbee's vidal/buckley showdown, and I was struck by vidal saying that the Viet Cong had the right to seek whatever political system for their country they want. he fails to make any statement about people who cement their political system by systematic murder and mayhem...

"All we are saying, is give peace a chance" only works when both sides agree to it. It seems obvious, at least to me, that like Iraq many then didn't care whether or not those who opposed the Viet Cong were going to be exterminated when we left, "peace" to them was simply no one fightin back.

Thank God most people see through that kind of Disney logic.
on Dec 10, 2005

as far as afghanistan goes, in the 11+ months between the invasion and lennon's death, he spent a lotta time in the studio. after that, well ya know how taciturn them damn dead people can be.

And Nero spent a lot of time fiddling while Rome burned.  Your point is?  non Sequitar

on Dec 11, 2005
But this is a man who said NOTHING about MANY atrocities of the Communist nations that DID happen during his lifetime


remember lennon's trek thru time as a celebrity spans only 18 years--beginning with the rise of the beatles in the early 60s and then as a solo artist--minus 5 years of hiatus. during the roughly 8 beatles' years, lennon, the band and its music went thru several distinct phases. it was only during the last of those--from 67 to 69--that anything vaguely resembling a world view or politics began to emerge. from 70 to 75, lennon's personality (i believe) as much as his philosophy drew him into the fray.

while he could have expanded his focus or spent much more time and effort in service to or in opposition to factions on either side of the divide, he took a lotta flack from both for favoring peace rather than mere victory.
on Dec 11, 2005
I think the problem with Lennon and frankly most of the voices of that time were they offered no alternatives, and went out of their way to only villify one side


during those few years in which lennon involved himself in politics, he definitely offered an alternative--one possibly considered even more naive and ridiculous now than it did then.

all you need is love.

it's impractical, ridiculous, dangerous, silly, idealistic, insane, ineffectual and ignorant...and no one is willing to give it a shot.

it's the same if ya substitute 'faith' or 'prayer' or 'god' for love, isn't it?
on Dec 11, 2005
But, sitting in a hut in South Vietnam, I don't think all you needed was love. Right now, I don't think love is going to keep you out of a rubber hose reeducation program in China.

Sure if EVERYONE adhered to that, we'd be in business. They won't, though. When those who are willing to forgo love feel a testosterone vacuum, they step up and take advantage of non-aggression. That's my problem with people who protested Vietnam, and frankly the people who are screaming about Iraq now. It shows an immense lack of concern for the people who will be left to fend for themselves.

It's just my perspective, granted. To me, when John Lennon talked about only needing Love, it was in an environment where all HE really needed was love. It seems so shallow and inconsiderate to look at someone from different circumstances and tell them that somehow love is going to keep them from executing half your village, raping your wife, and interning your son to do the same in the next village over.

I realize it makes me much less than Christ-like, but I have a great difficulty loving people who do things like that. I most certainly couldn't advise anyone else to give it a shot when I am sitting unthreatened thousands of miles away smoking a doob and listening to my wife's horrific music...
on Dec 11, 2005
I was struck by vidal saying that the Viet Cong had the right to seek whatever political system for their country they want. he fails to make any statement about people who cement their political system by systematic murder and mayhem...


as much as i dont wanna be accused of hijacking yet another thread (and i've been really tryin to let the quoted statement go...honest...and yeah i know exactly like whom i must sound), the irony is just too magnetic. for the vietnamese, the war was essentially about reversing 1000 years of occupation and colonization; for us, it was all about destabilizing a political system to which we were opposed. as time passes, it becomes increasingly clear our perspective wasn't shared by more than half the people of south vietnam.
on Dec 11, 2005
But, sitting in a hut in South Vietnam, I don't think all you needed was love. Right now, I don't think love is going to keep you out of a rubber hose reeducation program in China


as we discovered much too late, a lot of south vietnamese hootch dwellers had already decided they didn't need love or much else but some rice, a water buffalo, a weapon and a lot fewer falangs tellin them what to do.

listening to my wife's horrific music...


the one indefensible blot on lennon's legacy. i mean, you can't choose your soulmate, but you sure the hell can not let em into a recording studio...much less use your influence to help inflict the result on the rest of us.

(mccartney is equally culpable; linda and yoko shoulda come with stickers warning against letting them have a mic or allowing them to step on stage.)