The journey from there to here

OK, here's a scenario for you: a redneck walks into a bar, with full western wear. Problem is, it's a bar filled with metrosexual nancy boys, and one of them takes it upon himself to insult the redneck for his apparrel. Said redneck goes to his pickup truck (of course), gets his 12 gauge (of course), and proceeds to blow nancy boy's brains out the back of his skull.

Did the insult, regardless of how provocative, justify the response? No. Not in any way, or in any stretch of the imagination.

And yet, in a recent article, Link, we see the following comment:

It is pure hatred fertilized by dogmas and fueled by rage catalyzed by the occupation of his land by those who have been insulting his faith...

So, how then, do we make the intellectual stretch that someone insulting the faith of another is in any way a justification for violence, especially in the instance detailed in this article, which dealt with violence that targetted children? Answer: we DON'T, and anyone who DOES use this as a justification is reaching for an excuse for animals who deserve NONE.

Defenders of Muslim extremists are quick to point out abortion clinic bombings in the United States, in the apparent hope that the wrong actions of a faction of one faith can be used to justify the equally wrong actions of a faction of another faith. The simple fact remains that they cannot, and that key differences STILL remain between the two. In the case of abortion clinic bombings, the vast majority of Christian churches were quick to condemn the actions, not defend them. In the case of the Muslim terror attacks, the Muslim community is not only molasses slow to condemn, but such condemnations usually aren't supported by a substantial number of clerics. Add to the fact that Christian terrorist leaders who have organized such activities have NEVER been elected to major public office; by contrast, many in the Arabic world still regard Yasser Arafat as a hero to his cause. and of the numerous fatwahs that have been issued by Muslim practitioners who have "insulted" Islam, NONE has received a substantial condemnation from the more moderate Muslim clerics.

I respect the right of Muslims to practice their faith, as long as they do it peacably. I do NOT, however, support the right of Muslims, or people of ANY faith, INCLUDING Christianity, to practice their faith when their faith is contingent on the use of violence or force against others. And I will NOT accept the rationale of a perceived "insult" as a justification for their actions. If you're going to use THAT as a defense, you could say that Matthew Sheppard "insulted" his murderers' sexuality.

And THAT would be abhorrent.

 


Comments
on Jul 14, 2005

Nancy boys?  Is that a mid western term?

As for the article, very well said.  Thank you for making my point better than I did.

on Jul 16, 2005
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on Jul 16, 2005
ANyone who goes out to the truck and gets a shotgun never had any honor to begin with. Someone with some sense of self-worth and who wanted to sock the guy in the teeth would ask him if he'd like to discuss it in the parking lot and face him on even terms.

Liberals are the last people in the world to justify such things. If some of the haters on this forum said the kind of things they say about Christians, or US soldiers, etc., in person regularly, eventually they'd be eating their teeth. I wonder if, then, we'd get the "better not stir up the hornet's nest" argument.

Is it "honorable"? Well, there's a substantial difference between blowing up someone's car, and standing toe-to-toe with someone who is able to defend themselves for running off at the mouth. Call it a flaw, but I can't denounce someone for popping an asshole in the mouth, if the legal enevitability is worth it to them.

It's a far cry from shooting him from a distance or blowing up his kids. Apples and oranges, I think. Murder is murder, though, and the shotgun example is as heinous as using a bomb, regardless of the insult.

If you are going to say heinous things, though, you should expect to need to be tough enough to take what comes. I honestly hope we DON'T get beyond the very human need to punch someone in the nose.
on Jul 22, 2005
Good balanced and reasoned article.
on Jul 22, 2005
I think a nice little donnybrook would have been justified, if you're willing to categorize violence. After all, we categorize murder. Insults are intended to spark violet responses - I think this defines an insult. Violence (fisticuffs) can be an answer to poor upbringing (someone who insists on insulting), but certainly not murder. End of line.
on Jul 22, 2005
That's my problem with this article. Punching someone in the nose could be considered violent, but it isn't strutting into a bar with a shotgun, either. I think we've lost something if people feel they can go anywhere and saything, no matter how insensitive or distasteful or insulting, without just a little fear of losing a few teeth.
on Jul 22, 2005
there is such a thing as overkill, and that idiot sure fits the bill.

I think if I stumbled into a metrosexual bar wearing scooter tramp cloths and someone insulted me, I would just laugh and leave.

good points gid, nice article.

MM