The journey from there to here
Published on June 27, 2005 By Gideon MacLeish In Blogging

Every once in awhile, I hear people whine about how JU is allegedly a "right wing" site, and squelches liberal bloggers. While it is true that liberal bloggers have been squelched here, they have NEVER been squelched because of their politics, but rather the nature of their interaction with others. And conservative bloggers have been silenced as well.

Sooo, on with the story.

I decided it was time to register with Democratic Underground. Not because I agree with their ideas, mind you, but to read and post the articles that were written. I didn't get very far, though, before I realized that DU intends to be a cloistered community and to disallow anyone from outside their ranks. This from their TOS underscores my point:

. Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates.

(emboldened type added by author).

See, technically a GREEN should be disallowed by DU's TOS. And as a Libertarian, I don't stand a chance. Because, you see, DU's concern is not about discussion, it is about control, and it is about spin. It's a virtual guarantee that a DU regular won't see much of an opposing viewpoint in what they call "news".

By contrast, one can always find opposing viewpoints at JU. It's what we're about. While one side puts out a story on evolution, another is equally busy constructing a story on creationism. And in the 2004 presidential election, Bush, Kerry, Cobb, Badnarik, Nader and Peroutka ALL had articles written about them on the site...in fact, the platforms of the three prominent third parties were posted to this site WITHOUT editorial content in the body of the article. There was a genuine opportunity to obtain information far beyond that available in regular media outlets.

So, if you want a site that severely restricts its content, go to DU. If you want a site where free expression's pretty much intact, JoeUser's the right place for you. After all, very little's out of bounds on your own blog site.


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on Jun 28, 2005

How boring it must be for them not to have someone to argue with cuz they all think the same? Hey dr Guy?

Yea, this would be a dull site without our Liberals!  They are sane rational, and wrong.  But at least we get some good debate!

on Jun 28, 2005

That's my point. I do not have a problem debating, except with the likes of you two %^&#s. You're both patronizing, sanctimonous, and totally boring.

Over the weekend, I accidently insulted Joeknowledge by not including him in the sane rational left.  I corrected my oversight.  Now you do the same by excluding me from your tirade?

I am insulted!

on Jun 28, 2005
Reply By: Dr. GuyPosted: Tuesday, June 28, 2005That's my point. I do not have a problem debating, except with the likes of you two %^&#s. You're both patronizing, sanctimonous, and totally boring.Over the weekend, I accidently insulted Joeknowledge by not including him in the sane rational left. I corrected my oversight. Now you do the same by excluding me from your tirade?I am insulted!


aw zink is kinda cute when he gets his knickers inna bunch, I do lkove tweaking his nose, and I do not find him boring at all, just blind.
on Jun 28, 2005
The most intolerant, hate-filled, racist bigotry comes not from the religious majority of the southern conservatives, but from the agree or die political left. Anybody who preaches tolerance must allow even the intolerant to have their say. Instead it's "Stifle the dissenters, silence the religious, ban any who do not think as we do"... I despise that mentality. There's no room to agree to disagree..


--Out of the two , i consider the republican party to be the most tolerent.....
on Jun 28, 2005
I don't think DU sees themselves as a blog or 'discussion' site.

They see themselves as a launching point, a grass roots organizational tool. It's like a huge 'young republicans' meeting only... a little more pink.

For that reason, they don't want to waste time arguing with people who don't have influence on their agenda. They want to hash out their own agenda, and frankly I don't fault them for it. If I wanted to plan out a grass roots movement for Republicans, I wouldn't want dabe skulking around diverting from the focus either.

Granted, I think they are a bunch of ignorant, insulting bigots with no clue, but hey, it's their life to live.
on Jun 28, 2005

They see themselves as a launching point, a grass roots organizational tool. It's like a huge 'young republicans' meeting only... a little more pink.

I think that is what they started out to be, but they have become a caricture of that.  And totally useless.  The site exists for one reason and one reason alone.  To hate that which they cannot control.

on Jun 28, 2005
Zink... you don't get dumped on because you're a liberal, you get dumped on because you don't know the first thing about debate or argument. You should know by now that if you're going to assert ANYTHING here, you need to come with something real. Saying "I've never tried it, but I heard..." is just a flat-out ignorant statement. You have no actual knowledge beyond something you might have heard someone say about some site you've never been to. Don't be surprised when you're called on that.
on Jun 28, 2005
"I think that is what they started out to be, but they have become a caricture of that. And totally useless. The site exists for one reason and one reason alone. To hate that which they cannot control."


I'd describe it more as "To control what they hate". You might believe it is totally useless, but that is pretty naive I think. They are a big magnet for the coveted "youth" vote.

Much of the idiocy we have to combat here at JU is born either there or moveon, or the "alternative press" sites. If they were so ineffectual, I don't think we'd have nearly as much trouble overcoming the constant stream of filth they belch out into the world...

Know your enemies. Understimating them is the last thing you want to do.
on Jun 28, 2005
Whoa, Zoomba! Didn't know ya had it in ya!


You haven't been reading my stuff for the past 7 or 8 months have you?
on Jun 28, 2005

Much of the idiocy we have to combat here at JU is born either there or moveon, or the "alternative press" sites. If they were so ineffectual, I don't think we'd have nearly as much trouble overcoming the constant stream of filth they belch out into the world...

Know your enemies. Understimating them is the last thing you want to do.

Knowing them does not mean you cant laugh at them.  And I am not worried about the youth vote.  They will attract some of the more rabid ones, but even moderate liberals (oxymoron I know, but you get my drift) will soon see the rabid hatred and leave.  I dont think it will sway any of them more to the left.  I think it will just distance themselves from the rest of the party.  Or of their potential constituency.

on Jun 28, 2005
Unfortunately they don't have to sway that many. I'm sure DU gets as many visitors in a month as the difference between the winner and loser in the 2000 Presidential election.

It isn't a matter of redefining the Democratic party, it is about turning a few hundred thousand greens or radical libertarians to Democrats for a single day. They don't have to be THAT effective, or get that many youth votes to influence elections that are won by a million or two.
on Jun 28, 2005
Never read DU. Personally, I've never felt restricted in content on JU. The only time I've felt restricted is when I couldn't design an article the way I wanted, and it took 5 tries to post an article or reply. Oh, yeah, and when I asked, and was informed that I can't have a sponsor for my articles.

Oh well, JU goes on!! ;~D
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