The journey from there to here
Published on June 27, 2005 By Gideon MacLeish In Blogging

Every once in awhile, I hear people whine about how JU is allegedly a "right wing" site, and squelches liberal bloggers. While it is true that liberal bloggers have been squelched here, they have NEVER been squelched because of their politics, but rather the nature of their interaction with others. And conservative bloggers have been silenced as well.

Sooo, on with the story.

I decided it was time to register with Democratic Underground. Not because I agree with their ideas, mind you, but to read and post the articles that were written. I didn't get very far, though, before I realized that DU intends to be a cloistered community and to disallow anyone from outside their ranks. This from their TOS underscores my point:

. Who We Are: Democratic Underground is an online community for Democrats and other progressives. Members are expected to be generally supportive of progressive ideals, and to support Democratic candidates for political office. Democratic Underground is not affiliated with the Democratic Party, and comments posted here are not representative of the Democratic Party or its candidates.

(emboldened type added by author).

See, technically a GREEN should be disallowed by DU's TOS. And as a Libertarian, I don't stand a chance. Because, you see, DU's concern is not about discussion, it is about control, and it is about spin. It's a virtual guarantee that a DU regular won't see much of an opposing viewpoint in what they call "news".

By contrast, one can always find opposing viewpoints at JU. It's what we're about. While one side puts out a story on evolution, another is equally busy constructing a story on creationism. And in the 2004 presidential election, Bush, Kerry, Cobb, Badnarik, Nader and Peroutka ALL had articles written about them on the site...in fact, the platforms of the three prominent third parties were posted to this site WITHOUT editorial content in the body of the article. There was a genuine opportunity to obtain information far beyond that available in regular media outlets.

So, if you want a site that severely restricts its content, go to DU. If you want a site where free expression's pretty much intact, JoeUser's the right place for you. After all, very little's out of bounds on your own blog site.


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on Jun 27, 2005

I read their TOS at one time.  And yea, I basically said no way.  If I was to post on that site, I would fully expect to get flamed.  But their TOS says, nope, you would get booted!

It is their site, and they can do what they want.  But by using that TOS, they are basically making sure they will remain stupid and ignorant.  And on that, I cannot help them.  I dont think anyone can.

on Jun 27, 2005
I read the democratic underground time to time when I need a good laugh, it's kind of like reading funny books when I was a kid,
but much funnier,, i say the d.u. is a good thing because it shows once again that so called rightwing sites at least allow opinions not in line with conservative values, while the democrats while buisy espousing freedom, is not free at all, another typical democrat illusion, freedom.
on Jun 27, 2005
They probably put that there because they started getting trolled by rabid republicans (yes, I know there are rabid democrats too ).
on Jun 27, 2005

They probably put that there because they started getting trolled by rabid republicans (yes, I know there are rabid democrats too ).

If you have ever read the site then you know that a troll to them is a moderate democrat.  Rabid republicans hell!  Anyone who does not kiss Babs a$$ is a troll to them!

on Jun 27, 2005
How boring it must be for them not to have someone to argue with cuz they all think the same? Hey dr Guy?
on Jun 27, 2005
Although I have never tried to, I've heard the rightie sites are just as restrictive. If you post dissent, they'll ban you, same as the leftie sites. One of the reasons I come here is because this site bills itself as a blogsite for the "average joe". Then, it asounds me that the righties seem to really not just debate, but hate me for doing so, and hate me for being rather forceful in my arguments. That's what really galls me. And, though some are worse than others, some of the worst are the worst of the worst, yet seem to be the most coddled here. I don't get it. I'll not name any names, unless you ask.
on Jun 27, 2005
There's nothing wrong with actual debate. The problem is some people don't seem to know the difference between debate and insults, personal attacks, rhetoric, profanity, and mockery. A true debate contains none of those things. It seems that when facts are absent the others are in abundance.

As far as people getting grounded here, from what I've seen it only happens when someone becomes openly abusive towards other bloggers, not for presenting their views. But for some, I suppose they view freedom of speech as the freedom to be abusive toward others.

Some can't seems to tell the difference between disagreeing and personal attacks, between a well formed arguement and a string of profanity. And then they cry "no fair" when they get grounded for being unable to tell the difference.
on Jun 27, 2005
Zink, you don't know what debate is, I'm afraid. In your universe differing with you is antagonistic, arguing with you is hate, and keeping your mouth shut seems to be the best way not to offend you.

I find it hard to believe that all your flavor liberal here, if combined into one giant mass of pink goo, would be noteworthy enough to spend 5 minutes of hate on...
on Jun 27, 2005
6 by zinkadoodle
Monday, June 27, 2005


Although I have never tried to, I've heard the rightie sites are just as restrictive


I heard!!! someone mentioned it, could be, might have, the words of the left all crap no real substance..
on Jun 27, 2005
What is your freakin' problem. I heard. So what? I wrote about what I heard. Like no one else here does that.

This is exactly the crap I'm talking about. I post, and get nothing but derision, just because I am a liberal. All I am saying is that this site is not a Rush Limbaugh blog or a DU blog. It's an everyfreakinthing blog. That's my point. I do not have a problem debating, except with the likes of you two %^&#s. You're both patronizing, sanctimonous, and totally boring.
on Jun 27, 2005
Haven't most of them moved to Canada by now?
on Jun 27, 2005
Eh, I haven't had any problems. I write what I want. Sometimes people laugh, sometimes they say, "hey, that happened to me, too," sometimes they tell me I'm wrong, and sometimes they say, "right on."

JU is as politically even as possible considering that the site owner is a staunch conservative. I've heard many complaints that lefties are run off or silenced and that they don't get featured, etc., but were the site to be run by a staunch liberal, people would be complaining about the exact opposite.

I think Draginol works hard to be fair. Sure, sometimes he comes off as biased, but we all have preferences, and if it were my site, I'd have some folks saying the same thing about me.

The point is, we're all free to post whatever golden bits of wisdom or complete nonsense that we want so long as we're not obscene or abusive...and even then he usually only expects us to keep it on our own blog and off the forums.

Works for me.

I don't even bother with DU or the like. Who wants to be told what to think and say?
on Jun 27, 2005
Haven't most of them moved to Canada by now?


Nope. Well, maybe most, but not me.
on Jun 27, 2005
#13 by zinkadoodle
Monday, June 27, 2005




Haven't most of them moved to Canada by now?


Nope. Well, maybe most, but not me.


on Jun 28, 2005
I agree with TW.....
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