The journey from there to here
Published on June 11, 2005 By Gideon MacLeish In Politics

A response to terpfan's article on the high school student denied his diploma was an interesting opportunity for reflection. As a high school senior far too many years ago, I, too wore a bolo tie to my graduation. Nothing was said of it by the administration, and a couple of my fellow grads thought it was pretty cool.

As I thought about it, though, what was interesting was the fact that even back then I was quite libertarian in my thinking. And when I go back even further, I can't remember a time when I was not. I simply came to a realization of who I was when I made the jump to the Libertarian Party.

Whether it was wearing white socks with dress clothes, to the chagrin of my parents, or riding my moped down a hill without a license to gas it up and walk it back to the house when I couldn't see the sense in WALKING it down, or various other smarmy incidents of "skirting" the rules, I was always fairly rebellious in my actions. And it was often to my detriment. When a project for my senior year history class was deemed to be too offensive for public display (it was a collage commentary on the televangelist scandal at the time; nothing truly obscene, but this was in the middle of the bible belt, so we didn't slam our televangelists), I worked hard to redo my project overnight and received a lesser grade because my contribution was of lesser quality (by my teacher's own admission). My "hardline" stances on some issues alienate me from potential political allies and virtually ensure that I could not "fit" within either of the major parties, no matter how hard I tried to do so. I am, without apology, without exception, a libertarian.

So, you see, while I may have chosen the party affiliation of "Libertarian", I can't say I "chose" to see certain laws as stupid, or to see that the rights of the individual should be maintained. While it's possible that the details of my upbringing may have shaped my decision, it is who I am, and without apology.

 


Comments
on Jun 11, 2005
I was the same way. I think it is a matter of how we feel that we have been rewarded.

I think I can safely assume your experience was close to the same as mine in terms of traditional authority. When I did what I was supposed to do, I didn't feel any more rewarded or benefitted than I did when I did what I wanted to do. More so, when I danced to their tune they just wanted me to dance more often.

Others don't see it that way. I've talked to friends that see their "lifestyle" as far, far more valueable to them than the sacrifices they make to be "normal", i.e. two parents working two jobs, day-care, 3 hours of family time a day, etc. I think I can speak for you when I say that there is NO benefit that would be worth that kind of brutal sacrifice.

Like everything, it is values. I was either taught or construed from life that there are more important things that traditional success, and that most people waste their lives trying to be what they aren't. I suffer for my values,and frankly I'm lucky I haven't been completely ruined by them.

In the end perhaps people will laugh at me and say I made the wrong choices. Who knows.
on Jun 11, 2005
Sounds like me, except replace "Libertarian" with "socialist"

Ironically enough, you are probably one of the JUsers I can most relate to. Hate drug laws, like a 3rd party, hate the two other parties cause they're both the same, want to hit people with a 2x4 for a good 45 minutes when they tell me I'm wasting my vote...
on Jun 11, 2005
Hrm... I can't think of anything more different than a Libertarian and a Socialist. They are polar opposites. Ask Gid what he thinks about the nationalization or communal ownership of, well, anything...
on Jun 12, 2005

Sounds like me, except replace "Libertarian" with "socialist"

Ironically enough, you are probably one of the JUsers I can most relate to. Hate drug laws, like a 3rd party, hate the two other parties cause they're both the same, want to hit people with a 2x4 for a good 45 minutes when they tell me I'm wasting my vote...

Face it, you are a libertarian!  Itis ok to say so.

on Jun 12, 2005
Am I the only one that seems socialism and liberty as mutually exclusive?
on Jun 13, 2005

Baker,

As applies to MACROSOCIALISM, yes. As applies to microsocialism (small, voluntery cooperative communities and companies), well, while it may not be an endeavour I would necessarily choose, whatever people do with their own earned money is fine with me, as long as they don't use force to bring about the compliance of others. But yes, a national socialist system is the antithesis of freedom, in my opinion.

on Jun 13, 2005
Am I the only one that seems socialism and liberty as mutually exclusive?


I have always thought of there being two sides to freedom, usually freedom of and freedom from. I believe in freedom from poverty, because to me, poverty is the opposite of freedom. I have always been in favour of a more equal economic distribution, and getting rid of the gap between rich and poor. I have always thought that one of the main ways to attain this would be with microsocialism and some elements of macrosocialism (free healthcare, free university, perhaps nationalization of certain industries, but I have better things to do than nationalize McDonalds. As long as they are paying their employees a decent amount and not busting up unions, I don't have a problem with that.). To me, poverty is the opposite of liberty, and microsocialism plus some aspects of macrosocialism is a means to reduce poverty and therefore gain more liberty.
on Jun 13, 2005

But yes, a national socialist system is the antithesis of freedom, in my opinion.

Yup!  They are polar opposites.  Did you choose?  Hell yea.  WOuld I choose?  Hell yea.  I am a goldwater conservative, and right now libertarian looks the best.  I am not happy with republicans, but if it is close, they are better than democrats.

on Jun 13, 2005
In my view, and I think History backs it up, the only way to impose socialism is through a restriction of Liberty. Even in nations with watered-down versions, you still hear that there is a "price to pay".

Just because you accept an infringment on liberty doesn't mean it isn't an infringment, as the anti-Patriot Act folks like to remind us...
on Jun 13, 2005
In my view, and I think History backs it up, the only way to impose socialism is through a restriction of Liberty. Even in nations with watered-down versions, you still hear that there is a "price to pay".

Just because you accept an infringment on liberty doesn't mean it isn't an infringment, as the anti-Patriot Act folks like to remind us...


I don't know if history backs it up. Yes, the Soviet Union wasn't known for it's excesses in rights and liberties, but there are other examples. Allende comes to mind.

Plus it always seems that the party sticking up for our liberties up here is the socialist NDP.

I think me and Gideon are in corners next to each other on the worlds smallest political quiz.