The journey from there to here

I was saddened to hear of the Minnesota school shooting. I am even more saddened to know that some legislator will likely use it as a catalyst to try to further remove our freedoms.

The thing is, the school shooting dispells a few myths that have been used to push or try to push legislation already in place.

First, it dispells the primary myths of the gun control lobby that removing guns from the hands of the citizenry will eliminate gun violence. The student used the weapons belonging to his grandfather,who, as a police officer, would have had them even in the presence of the most stringent legislation. But, more importantly, it dispells the "security" myth of school metal detectors, as he killed the officer manning the checkpoint while entering the school.

So what direction will legislators go with this? I shudder to think,in light of historical proposals. Will they push for armed guards and de facto martial law, or will they simply arm and train the teachers or administrative staff? The possibilities boggle the mind, but one thing we can be sure of: Someone will use this tragedy as a springboard to eliminating personal liberties. And that is ALWAYS a bad thing.


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on Mar 23, 2005
most likely the insane anti-gun lobby in another emotion based, fact-less, feel good(for them) legislation try to futher restrict the rights of gun owners....and I'm sure someone will bitch from their side the child should never have been able to "steal" his grandfathers service weapons....or maybe another useless lawsuit against one of the gun makes because they "targeted" their production line to "kids" or some far out useless shit like that....
on Mar 23, 2005
I read an interesting article once, several years ago, right after Columbine.
The author made note of the fact that all school shootings seem to occur in suburban or otherwise middle-upper class areas.
This is because, he said, that kids in urban or inner-city schools know that many of the their classmates are armed, anyway,and any nutcase teen that would fire a gun may find several dozen firing back.
He went on to tell about an assistant principal who ran out to his car and got his gun when a kid opened fire at some school somewhere, and was able to use it to disarm the kid.
The point was that, in these particular cases, there was really no argument one way or the other as far as the gun/anti-gun debate went. If a kid fired a gun in an urban school, he'd be killed instantly by the other students...the vice-principal was able to save the other students by using his gun....gun owners could be the good guy or the bad guy in either case.

The kid killed his grandfather and stole his guns....it's not like the old guy had any choice in the matter, you know?
on Mar 23, 2005
This shooting is already being compared to Columbine. The fallout from Columbine was a mass movement of "educators" and "school administrators" towards "zero tolerance" (Read Zero Intelligence) policies. So, what is less than "zero tolerance?"
on Mar 23, 2005
I waiting for the day that the insane anti-gun nuts will require submission of a sperm or egg sample from any perspective gunbuyer....full body cavity search and drug testing.....people may read what I wrote and say...nah never happen....I'd agree if the rabid anti-gun lobby were living in the real world..but they aint and never will...as Para said...they have Zero Intelligence......
on Mar 23, 2005
"...or will they simply arm and train the teachers or administrative staff?"


That will never happen. They won't even let pilots carry. You can imagine what would happen if a mentally sick kid pulled a real-looking fake gun and a teacher plugged him. Will never happen. The chance of "suicide by teacher" is just so much worse than "suicide by cop".

One thing you can count on is this to be a call for new locking technology. The "smart chip" technology that SUPPOSEDLY only allows the owner of the gun to fire it. They'll say had the cop had that the kid would have been unable. What the ignorant people don;t realize is that all that technology calls for a ring, or some other type of "tag" that the kid could steal along with the gun...
on Mar 23, 2005
I think your concern is legitimate, Gideon, and well-raised.

While I have recently come to be on a somewhat different side of the gun-debate than I previously held, I still think it tacky and unnecessary to fling hateful name-calling at those who are concerned about gun violence in this country. (Not directed at you Gideon, but at almost everyone else who posted here.)

Having said that, I have a sneaking, highly cynical feeling that not much will come of this, legally speaking, since it happened on an Indian reservation. It's to be expected of the poor, the marginalized, the uneducated, the brown-skinned right? Oh but that's just my bleeding heart talking. Seriously though, the gun issue seems to be generally determined by whoever is president because it's such a high tension yet do nothing topic. With the whitest, richest, most narrow minded of pro-gun presidents in the white house I doubt very much if much legal wrangling will come out of this. As it should be. There are deeper issues to be discussed in these situations than if children have access to guns. But as is true of both "sides", it's easier to focus on one quick buzz issue than the tangled mess of reality that creates such horrors.
on Mar 23, 2005
"I still think it tacky and unnecessary to fling hateful name-calling at those who are concerned about gun violence in this country."


As opposed the the knee-jerk reaction of the anti-gun lobby blaming guns and the NRA and hunters and gun owners everytime someone abuses the right to own one...

Come on, anti-gun folks just have to deal with insults from us, the "wackos". We have to tolerate being made fun of by The Daily Show and every other asinine "wit" in the world. I think they have a lot less to put up with...
on Mar 23, 2005
Way to be the bigger person! Cheers!

I want to note, I used to be anti-guns. And the I found someone who was willing and able to talk to me, rationally and profoundly, about why they think it is good for citizens to own guns. I still don't like the things, and hope never to own one in my life, but I can now respect this position and even consider it my own. Perhaps if everyone was more able/willing to talk, instead of just fling insults, more might be accomplished.