The journey from there to here
Published on February 25, 2005 By Gideon MacLeish In Blogging

Now don't get me wrong. Administration here has the right to make their own decisions, and I respect that, but moderateman's article on rating bloggers got me to thinking.

There are a few bloggers on JoeUser that I greatly miss. Sir Peter Maxwell, for his bizarre and irreverent sense of humour. Even though I understand how he crossed the line with some people, he did develop my satirical sense a great deal. And I have to thank him for that.

David St. Hubbins is another. Though his responses are often less than tactful, he is honest, and has often played a marvelous foil to my positions on several issues. I don't have to agree with him to respect his insight.

Finally, there is WiseFawn. While she upset many people, she had a liberal perspective that NEEDED to be seen; free speech requires a fair presentation on BOTH sides. While her responses would range to inflammatory, that was something easily solved with the blacklist.

Interestingly enough, these three bloggers share one other thing in common: they all spent time on my blacklist. Yes, they ticked me off as much as anyone else, and there was a lot that I DIDN'T like about what they had to say, but I highly respect their right to say it. If any (or all) three are reading: you are missed.


Comments
on Feb 25, 2005
If any (or all) three are reading: you are missed.


Ditto.

(And I never had any of them blacklisted. )
on Feb 25, 2005
I think blogging is the ultimate in Free Speech.

Freedom of Speech only gives us the right to speak out. In no way does it even imply that anyone has the right to be heard.

In blogging, we get to say basically anything we want, rant, lash out, praise, promote, whatever! We can make the most hateful statements known to mankind, or fall all over ourselves in praising what we love (and we can even go to both extremes simultaneously in the same article).

Once we hit that "submit" button, we make our words available to anyone who cares to click on our titles. They even have the right to quit reading once they've started. If they choose to, they even have the freedom to let us know (in whatever terms they see fit) what they think of our articles, our sentiments, and even our parentage if they feel like it!

No one is forced to read, sponsor or even acknowledge the existence of anyone else's articles!

Freedom to speak, with no obligation to others, that is Blogging, and that is what Freedom of Speech truly is all about!
on Feb 25, 2005

Free speech doesn't include the right to attack me personally.  Making a post with "Brad Wardell is an asshole" as some people have done when they get mad for whatever reason) is not something we have to tolerate. That's how Wisefawn got banned btw.

on Feb 25, 2005
I feel bad about them being unable to post, in the same way I feel bad when people lose their license for driving drunk. Sure, it sucks for them, and I wish it wasn't so, but they did it to themselves.

If I was talking to someone in their living room, stood up and shouted at them that they were a nazi, I'd assume they'd politely ask me to leave and not ask me back. People just tend to think they are in some sort of a "free zone" when they are on the Internet, instead of being on private sites that the people they are insulting pay through the nose to keep going...

Sir Peter was funny, but I think he just started to believe there wasn't anything he could do to get banned. David St. Hubbins was banned more than once, so no excuse there. WiseFawn was warned over and over and over.

I regret her going the most, but it was because she couldn't separate her feelings from the discussion. If you posed an opposing opinion, you were opposing her. To attack her stance was to attack her. Over and over, when I would come at a issue with no more vigor than did, she reacted as though I had physically slapped her or something. People like that simply can't handle this kind of place, I think.
on Feb 25, 2005
we see what it takes to be banned now.

tell anyone other than Brad Wardell that they are an asshole and you have free reign.

other than that, you are banned.

I guess that makes sense, Brad, you're the boss. I see why Little Whip is still posting here. She's attacked almost every other blogger OTHER than Brad. She's toed the line right and played the game. So she's kosher. I see now, thank you. There are no real "Toxic users." It's just a matter of opinion.
on Feb 25, 2005
She's attacked almost every other blogger OTHER than Brad. She's toed the line right and played the game.


That's about the way I've always seen it.


Sir Peter was funny, but I think he just started to believe there wasn't anything he could do to get banned.


Quite the contrary, he knew exactly what he was doing and got exactly the result he wanted.
on Mar 13, 2005
I think that free speech truly was undermined when I was banned. If one cannot understand humour then one should not attack those that do.

I was banned because I dared to speak the truth, as I am compelled to do as an English Protestant.
on Mar 13, 2005

No SPM, you were banned because you kept repeatedly attacking the admins.

I suspect if you ran JU, you would have a LOT less tolerance than we do.  But even we have our limits on how much abuse we'll take. Plus, you're a fake user. There is no Sir Peter Maxwell. You're an invention of some other individual for the purposes of satire. So you were already on thin ice to begin with.  You were also extremely abusive to other people.

You should hhave left good enough alone and we might have let you keep this new alias for awhile. But since you haven't changed or repented, you're back to being exiled.

on Mar 13, 2005

tell anyone other than Brad Wardell that they are an asshole and you have free reign.

No, you put anyone's name in the title of your post and you'll get banned. The golden rule of JU is that you do NOT put someone's name in the title of a blog for derogatory reasons. This has to do with search engines - JU's popularity ensures that search engines pick up titles very well.

Wisefawn called me names and was very nasty to me many times. But what got her banned was breaking the golden rule - creating a post with the title "Brad Wardell is an asshole". She wanted to be banned in short and I obliged.

There's about 10,000 blog sites on JU with 1.8 million users. We don't ban people very often.

on Mar 14, 2005
She's attacked almost every other blogger OTHER than Brad.


This is utter bullshit, Myrr, and I really wish you'd quit using every freakin' thread in an attempt to continue your dispute with me.

JU has how many thousands of bloggers? Hmm, and let's see who I've had major disputes with.

SPM-(gone by his own devices)

WF-(ditto)

St.Hubbins (ditto, and that dispute preceeded my participation on JU, He'd already been banned once before I even joined. So had Muggaz, for that matter.)

Muggaz-(still around, though much more subdued than he once was.)

MadPoet (left voluntarily, months after he and i 'made nice'-a fact no one seemed to notice.)

imaginit ( admittedly uncalled for and promptly apologized for.)

Moanopeace (still around, and the only reason i tangled with him was due to his insistance on involving himself in my argument with pricess d.)

Princess d...yeah, and for some very valid and personal reasons, which are only your business, Myrr, because you insist on involving yourself, similar to her other lap-dog, moanopeace.

Oh dear, was that an attack? But i guess visiting my various threads to call me a "douche" isnt, hmm, Myrr? Hypocrite.

Anyway, thats what...eight bloggers? Even if I've forgotten half of those i've "attacked" that would still account for only 16 out of thousands.

So yeah, ok, I've attacked EVERYONE on here. Sure. And you teach math?

I've never told the owner to go *f* himself though...and when warned or moderated I go.."oops, sorry" (or whatever) and get on with it, rather than leading some anti-moderator campaign like a few of the above mentioned banishees have.

Im really getting sick of hearing about "toxic users" from people who repeatedly click on and participate in my various rant threads, yet ignore the articles where I've really opened up my soul...most recently...Link

And, Myrr, remember that a few have been banned for stalking and/or slamming another user from thread to unrelated thread.

I do find it amusing though, that you say this as if it were an insult:

She's toed the line right and played the game.


Knowing how to follow the rules is a bad thing?

~rolls eyes.


You forgot one LW you should have "started" with "jesusstayscrunchy".
on Mar 14, 2005
Thanks for missing me, Gideon!

I never wrote a title that had that, and the owner knows it. I never called him names, ever. And he knows it. I was not warned over and over. I had one warning about an argument, that was it. I'm wondering about the need to lie about things so many months later. Weird. But thank you. I still read many of you! Take care.
on Mar 14, 2005

Whatever you want to pretend, Wisefawn. 

on Mar 14, 2005
I think it was oscar wilde who said "there's only one thing worse than being talked about and thats not being talked about"