The journey from there to here
Published on February 23, 2005 By Gideon MacLeish In Politics

A legislator in Washington is proposing to split the state into two separate states, given the difference in the nature of largely agricultural Eastern Washington vs. the industrial and commercial Western Washington. The differences were underscored greatly in the recent election during which the two candidates duked it out over three recounts before the winner, a democrat, was chosen (the republican contender won the first two recounts).

While this would, on the surface, appear to be a solution, it doesn't solve the problem. Michigan, for instance,  is divided politically between the Upper Peninsula (da Yoopers) and lower Michigan, and Wisconsin is divided between liberal Madison and Milwaukee and the largely conservative remainder of the state. Illinois residents would similarly be hard pressed to find a similarity of values between residents of its own capital, Springfield, and the population center of Chicago that exerts the most political control on the state. California residents, as well, will be quick to point out the vast differences between NORTHERN and SOUTHERN California (don't confuse the two. Trust me on this).

The answer, dear friends, is not in separating states. It's not in secession, but in a unity that celebrates the diversity of culture and lifestyle that make up this great country. So gays want to marry in San Francisco? LET them. So a small Texas town wants to outlaw the sale of alcohol within city limits? It should be THEIR choice. By creating stronger and stronger federal and state governments, we've created an ever tightening noose on individual values and freedoms in this country. The only answer is to take power from the federal and state governments and return it to local communities, where the best decisions can be made for the population of those communities.


Comments
on Feb 23, 2005
There has been similar talk here in Nebraska. Mostly about the panhandle breaking off and maybe joining Wyoming or something. Because the panhandle is much different than the eastern side of the state. But I doubt, in the case of Washington or even Nebraska, it will ever happen or even be taken for more than a state joke.
on Feb 23, 2005
As one who has lived in 11 states, I have yet to find a state that is all "one state".

Idaho is 3 states: Northern is basically the eastern part of Washington State, Eastern is basically the northern region of Utah, only the Boise area can rightfully claim a culture and lifestyle of it's own.

Utah is 3 states: You have northern Utah, Southern Utah, and The Desert.

Florida: The Gulf coast, the Atlantic Coast, the Panhandle, the Keys and Miami/Ft. Lauderdale.

"The Carolinas": The rest of the country calls them North and South Carolina, but for the locals its either "The Carolinas" or simply "Carolina". There really are two, but the division is between the eastern and western ends of both states rather than the state line.

Virginia: The coast, the City (Richmond area) and "The Mountains", each have a unique flavor.

Oklahoma: There is "The City" and "The Desert", that's about it.

Ohio: Up north is Midwestern living through and through, down south, by listening to them talk, you'd think your were "down south". It's more Kentucky than midwest.

Georgia: In Georgia you are either in the city (trying to convince the world that there really are cities in Georgia), or your in the country (and you don't care whether the rest of the world thinks you have paved roads or not). If you're in the city, you make fun of the "Rednecks" in the country, if you're in the Country, you proudly accept the label "Redneck" and make fun of "Those City People". That, or you're doing everything you can to get out of the country, shake your "Redneck" roots and become a "City People".

Wisconsin: There are basically 4 Wisconsins. Milwaukee area, Green Bay Area, Western Wisconsin and Northern Wisconsin. Nortern Wisconsin requires a passport, language training and "Fishing Shanty", unless you're just passing through. These can only be seperated from "Da Yoopers" by the most discerning ear (or the local who just shot you for calling her "A Yooper". ;~D

California: There are arguments to how many Californias there are. As you point out, there is "Southern" and "Northern" California. Even more argument exist over exactly where the line between them would be. From my experience, I see 5 Californias. There is the classic "Southern" California, famed in Song, Story and Surfer. Central California is the California that is still part of The West. Ranches, Vinyards, Rodeos (even if they do pronounce it wrong)..etc. Then there is "The Bay Area", San Francisco and all points connected. Northern Californias Redwoods, small towns and Sacremento (capital) would never be mistaken for any other part. The 5th part would be "The Desert". These are mostly in Southern California, and are definitely "Sunny", but who could possibly mistake Barstow with, well anywhere else in the world (except maybe Parhump, NV. ;~D

Sorry that ran so long, but those are the states and their differences (from my own experiences). I completely expect to catch crap from people who disagree. I hope I didn't hijack your article!!! If you think that might happen, go ahead and delete it and I'll post it as a seperate article. For me though, I think it works as a decent followup to yours.

From what I see here, if we're going to split states up by cultural and geographic differences, we'd end up with well over 200 states!!! ;~D
on Feb 23, 2005
You forgot NY: You have upstate (which is pretty much all inclusive) and then you have New York City.
on Feb 23, 2005
Going back to the Washington Start gubertorial race, I say re-election. I say that because more people voted in heavily democratic areas than were actually registered. Now if that isn't voter fraud, what is? Maybe Democrats can help me on this issue. They are experts at Voter Fraud.
on Feb 23, 2005
like michigan, wisconsin, ohio and illinois, indiana is also several states spanning the spectrum from bastion of old-time machine politics in the northwest to far southern indiana where the klan was reborn during the last century's adolescence.
on Feb 24, 2005
What's next, Orange County seceding from California?
on Feb 24, 2005
In the late 1980s a NE California Assemblyman Stan Statham proposed seceding from the rest of California. I supported it, of course, even though it started as a publicity stunt in support of ignored rural counties suffering from state budget cuts. But it WAS kind of comical mostly because counties that voted on it (nonbinding of course) voted yes if they thought they'd get to secede & no if they thought they'd be left behind! Nobody was sure where the line was. If they were, they figured they could always squeeze in one more.

The irony in that case was that NE California, though rugged & beautiful, is the least economically viable part of the state. But hey, if they pick up two senators, how bad can it be?

The other west coast secession 'movement' was back in the 1930s when far northern California & deep southern Oregon talked about naming themselves Jefferson. They even set up 'border' check points & held a convention. More at http://www.jeffersonstate.com/ (Link)
on Feb 24, 2005
Going back to the Washington Start gubertorial race, I say re-election. I say that because more people voted in heavily democratic areas than were actually registered. Now if that isn't voter fraud, what is? Maybe Democrats can help me on this issue. They are experts at Voter Fraud.


I say the system worked as set out by law & we owe the civil servants of the Evergreen State our sincere thanks for a tough job very well done.
on Feb 24, 2005
This is where state powers end and Federal Powers begin, after all we cannot adjust the United States flag to fit the whim of every Tom, Dick, Harry, or Cat just because one part of the state differs from another part whether it is economic, philosophical, psychological, or political. This is Civil War territory that has already been treaded, this is one issue I still believe that the Central Government should have absolute say in, because think of the consequences otherwise.

Reply #5 By: Citizen kingbee - 2/23/2005 11:24:05 PM

like michigan, wisconsin, ohio and illinois, indiana is also several states spanning the spectrum from bastion of old-time machine politics in the northwest to far southern indiana where the klan was reborn during the last century's adolescence.


I learned something about Indiana History with the Klan in my Senior Year of High School here (my first year here in this state). Lo and behold the biggest group who are mostly responsible for killing out the Klan here was the Catholics, with things like ruining their marches (throwing potatoes at them in South Bend, how the Fighting Irish got their name). Also little neat tactics of publishing the roster or roll call of Klan members in Newspapers or in Church Bulletins put a damper on their parade, of course they still exist in this state in small numbers but for the most part they are completely ignored and arrested in an instant if something done unlawful.

By the by ever heard of place called Rosewood, FL or Tulsa, OK?
I learned about Rosewood through a movie that starred Ving Rhames titled the same, good movie but brutal to someone of heightened cultural sensitivity (such as minorities).

- Grim X