The journey from there to here

Two fairly recent articles made me think about this issue (I won't "out" the author of either article, as I respect them both highly, and I understand the issues that cause the one author to feel as he/she does) of how men and women are perceived in stereotype.

There is a tendency to perceive the woman as being good, decent, nurturing, loving, and all of the qualities of niceness. While my wife embodies these qualities most of the time, there are certainly women (my mother, my sister, and, quite probably Lynndie England being examples I can readily cite) who do NOT embody these characteristics, who NEVER embodied these characteristics, and for whom a rash generalization of the attributes of women would give undue credit. Simarly, many men are maligned for qualities that cannot even BEGIN to be ascribed to ALL men, not even all HETEROSEXUAL men (need I remind you that Buddha and Gandhi were both men?).

I cannot say what percentage of women fit the sterotype of the "noble" woman. It may be 3%, it may be 93%. My guess would be that it hovers somewhere around the 16-17% mark, with women fulfilling the opposite traits exhibiting a similar percentage. The majority of women, my lovely wife included, will fall somewhere along the curve that houses the remaining 66.67%. Men would fall on a similar scale.

The problem is, we judge people by outward traits of the "ideal" that are largely shapen by our own limited experiences. But could we rightly adjudge Susan Smith as a nurturer? or Bill Cosby as a callous, insensitive father?

Maybe what we need to do is stop judging people in generalities, and start getting to know them as INDIVIDUALS. There's a lot more sense in that.


Comments
on Feb 10, 2005
yeah, I agree with what you're saying here, even if I do have a tendency to give women a superiority edge over men -- this has more to do with my own feelings about myself rather than men in general, but it does sometimes have an irrational quality to it (hating the self can get out of hand easily)

individualism is a very important thing, and we (the collective blogging community "we") tend to talk in generalities so that we can make points more easily -- I know I do this when I write about gender issues.

Thanks for this post, I enjoyed it.
on Feb 10, 2005

Maybe what we need to do is stop judging people in generalities, and start getting to know them as INDIVIDUALS. There's a lot more sense in that.

Very true, but I doubt it will happen.  But that does not negate hope.

on Feb 10, 2005
Amen. I've known a lot of guys I would trust and a lot of girls I wouldn't should we be in the exact same situation. We should learn how to treat people as people, no matter what they have between their legs.
on Feb 10, 2005
There is a book called the "Odd Girl Out: The Hidden Culture of Aggression in Girls" (Phyllis Chesler) which basically states that society sees girls as "sugar and spice and everything nice". Girls are aware of this, and play off this stereotype, and yet are completely vile to each other when no one is looking. Having been on both ends of the spectrum I can agree that women are neither perfect angels to be worshiped, nor are they demons to be vilified. We're just women. It would be nice if we could all respect each other for our individual qualities and not from some misplaced sense of societal responsibility. Good post!
on Feb 12, 2005
What can I say, I agree totally.

I recently wrote and and article called "All men are arseholes...and nice guys finish last" Link where I try to explain that these are both cliches that stem from people who have particular behavioural patterns in terms of the sort of people they pursue. I say rather than slander a whole gender with these sweeping statements why don't you look at your own pattern of behaviour that leads you to get involved with people who fit those sterotypes.