The journey from there to here
Published on December 13, 2007 By Gideon MacLeish In Politics

This is kind of a redux, but I figured I'd start fresh for those who weren't around for the first article.

When I was younger, I was a pretty die hard socialist. For many years I counted among my friends one J. Quinn Brisben, the 1992 Socialist Party USA candidate for president. In fact, my three year old son was named after Quinn, who taught me a lot about the labor history of the United States.

As I've grown older, I've come to eschew the state socialism of the Soviet Union, China, and Cuba, but as I have done so the beliefs and principles that guided my beliefs have not gone away. If anything, they have become more entrenched. I've come to embrace a policy of microsocialism, however, while at the same time having nothing good to say about the macrosocialism that many have come to embrace.

But going further would require a clearer definition.

Macrosocialism is what we call state socialism. Its characteristics are that it is forced, it is run by the state, and that it places demands on individuals that are anathema to the principles of democracy and liberty. Macrosocialism is largely inefficient and unnatural, and as such is an unsustainable state. Examples can be seen in China and the Soviet Union of the Cold War era (less so in both states now; even China is embracing more free market principles). Because of the power of the state, free speech is the enemy to a macrosocialist state.

Microsocialism, however, differs in that it is voluntary, privately run, and it focuses on the contributions of individuals rather than place demands on them. Microsocialism functions best in a free market environment, for reasons I will discuss later, and examples can be seen in Amish and Amana communities in the United States, in the kibbutzes of Israel, and, to some degree, in the history of the early LDS church in the US (a practice that can still be seen in some of the les dysfunctional wards today). Microsocialism is not only compatible with the free market, it is, in my opinion, a healthy and vital part of such a market.

Microsocialism works well within the free market because it substitutes the power of individual dollars with the power of collective bargaining. In a capitalist society, the free market of goods and services is the guiding principle, and thus, as cynics are wont to say, "he who has the gold, makes the rules". This is no less true with microsocialist organizations functioning within a free market environment.

Say you walk into a car dealership ready to buy a car. You will haggle with the dealer, but ultimately you will end up paying a price that the dealer thinks is fair. At every point in the negotiations, the dealer is in control, and any "control" he gives you is purely illusory.

Now, say you are part of a collective group that has committed to buy cars for all of its members. As a representative of the group, you walk in and speak with the dealer. You control the purchasing power of, say, 50 car buyers, and the dealer will get all of the contracts, or he will get none. Suddenly the balance of power has shifted, and you are in control. The dealer still has to make money, true, but he is going to be willing to accept a much smaller profit margin on each individual vehicle because he is selling 50 vehicles at once.

This is not theory, it is reality, and it is put into practice every day by various co-ops within the United States. One user recently detailed her experience with Angel Food Ministries, which is one such co-op. Basically, they sell $50-75 worth of groceries for $25 because they've used the collective bargaining power to obtain the best price possible.

Now imagine a competitor to WalMart guided by these principles. WalMart has long used the fact that it has more money than anybody else to secure the lowest purchasing price on several items. The result is lower prices, but equally lower quality. If a store opened using these same purchasing principles as a cooperative, they would be able to purchase at a lower price, but because they have less overhead, they could sell at a price competitive with the big box stores. The WalMarts of the world only survive because they can purchase in greater quantity than anyone else. Imagine the car buying scenario, now imagine a contract for 5,000 cars. The dealer's markup would get even lower.

And this is why it is not only helpful, but essential, for a microsocialist organization to operate within a free market economy. Having used their purchasing power to purchase items, the cooperative can now obtain the best price for them. In some cases, this could mean substantial markups. Put simply, the system doesn't work unless there is a place to SELL the items one has obtained.

Microsocialism can be applied to all objects, not just cars and consumer goods. In fact, it may be the best solution for our dysfunctional health care system. Create co-ops that can purchase more, essentially, with less, and it will be easier to insure the uninsured who want and in many cases, need, insurance.

Those who read me consistently will know that I have long advocated for "New Deal" type solutions implemented within communities as a solution to our current problems. Bring back the victory gardens, explore the successes (and failures) of New Deal communities like Dyess, Arkansas to learn what to do and what not to do to give people access to the tools to bring themselves out of poverty. Create communities that are truly common at the local level, and put fewer controls at the state and federal level, controls that effectively restrict the action of these communities. Let the federal government revert to doing the duties outlined for it in the Constitution, and give communities greater autonomy to make choices that guide their direction. Some of these communities will choose microsocialist principles, others will not. In the end, though, I'm willing to bet most will adopt a mixed economy, as it will be hard for those who adopt an individualist mindset to compete with those who realize the power of cooperation.


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on Dec 13, 2007

To me, what you just wrote is pretty much how the Founding Fathers set up this great nation.  Local communities, full of individuals who are free to decide what is best for their little corner of the country.  Let the Federal Government handle the issues that can only be handled on a national (and international) scale.  Let the State Governments handle the issues that arise solely within their borders.   Let the communities of local people decide how best to handle issues of city, home and family.

If the best thing for a local community is banding together in co-ops, so be it... the difference would be that everyone within the community would have the right to opt out, move out, or join in.

 

on Dec 13, 2007
To me, what you just wrote is pretty much how the Founding Fathers set up this great nation. Local communities, full of individuals who are free to decide what is best for their little corner of the country. Let the Federal Government handle the issues that can only be handled on a national (and international) scale. Let the State Governments handle the issues that arise solely within their borders. Let the communities of local people decide how best to handle issues of city, home and family.


Yes, and it's the guiding principle of many Libertarians.

I live in a dry city and have used that many times to explain Libertarian principles. The fact that my city is dry is perfectly acceptable to Libertarians, because the decision was made on a local basis, and one can choose to leave if that is a problem.
on Dec 13, 2007

Let the federal government revert to doing the duties outlined for it in the Constitution, and give communities greater autonomy to make choices that guide their direction.

But that is the anathema to Federal government as it exists today.  Everything they do is to "bring up' the areas that are not up to their arbitrary standards.  20 years ago, my response would have been to get rid of democrats, but after seeing the opposition do the same thing, I no longer believe that.  For in the end, they all worship at the altar of power.  And power means centralization. 

Libertarians may be different.  I really hope so.  but then my cynicism takes hold and instead I see just another party waiting for its turn at the trough.  And if given that power, the same results will happen.  That is not to say they should not be given a chance - as I beleive that everyone should be given a chance to suceed or fail.  I just dont hold out a lot of hope that things would change if they had the power.

on Dec 13, 2007
but then my cynicism takes hold and instead I see just another party waiting for its turn at the trough.


And in the case of some candidates, I will concede that may be true. But I submit that if you stand around waiting for the perfect candidate vs. trying to steer the government back in the right direction, you may be part of the problem. There are no perfect answers; we're simply trying to offer BETTER ones.
on Dec 13, 2007
But I submit that if you stand around waiting for the perfect candidate vs. trying to steer the government back in the right direction, you may be part of the problem. There are no perfect answers; we're simply trying to offer BETTER ones.


First, I am not looking for a candidate, perfect or otherwise. I dont know many Libertariains and cannot speak to the individuals. So, yes, i always vote for the lesser of 2 evils - or against the biggest hypocrite.

Second, as I said, I am hoping that I am wrong, and I am willing to give them a shot at the trough. If I am right, I will not be disappointed - just more cynical. If I am wrong (as I hope), I will be very happy.

Finally, I understand no perfect answers. But when it comes to politics, I dont see "better ones", just less worse ones. Yes, in politics, I am a pessimist.
on Dec 13, 2007
Oh, I know you aren't, dr. But I have heard many people refuse to vote, or vote only for the "big two" because they feel there are no good candidates. I ask only that they evaluate all candidates fairly.
on Dec 13, 2007
Oh, I know you aren't, dr. But I have heard many people refuse to vote, or vote only for the "big two" because they feel there are no good candidates. I ask only that they evaluate all candidates fairly.


If they aren't showing up to vote for either of the "big two" in the presidential race, I'd bet good money they never bother voting in the local races. You know, the ones where their vote does count directly, and the candidates probably live an work within a few miles of the where the non voter lives.
on Dec 13, 2007
But that is the anathema to Federal government as it exists today. Everything they do is to "bring up' the areas that are not up to their arbitrary standards. 20 years ago, my response would have been to get rid of democrats, but after seeing the opposition do the same thing, I no longer believe that. For in the end, they all worship at the altar of power. And power means centralization.




this is why i keep saying replace all of them in Washington.


and replace them every election until they understand once again who is in charge of this country.

it isn't them. it isn't the parties. it isn't the pacs. and thankfully it isn't gene, lol.


we are the ones in charge because we are they ones that vote them into office.


that last campaign reform where you cannot say anything bad about the guy already in office was designed to keep the guy already in office in office.
on Dec 13, 2007
Microsocialism this used to be known as family.


most small communities in the world were made up of two or three or four family groups.

the families remained together. true the kids would grow up and move into their own homes but they were always nearby.

this all changed when the steam train came along.

before the train it would take weeks to months to years to get anywhere. but after the train at most it would take a week. so now the kids moved three or four states away. because they could always go home in a week.


no i am not saying to get rid of the train, car or plain. it still takes weeks by boat.


but without those we couldn't enjoy steaks from kansas, strawberries from where ever they grow or seafood from the coast.


but we need to i guess replace the family with a coop. which is what gid is more or less talking about.
on Dec 13, 2007
Microsocialism this used to be known as family.


Yes, and no. While many tribal societies were family based, several communalist societies extended beyond family. The examples I cite of the Amana and Oneida colonies and the early LDS church are examples of this. One of the other dynamics of microsocialism is that it often revolves around a commonality of thought, in those cases religion.
on Dec 13, 2007
the early LDS church are examples of this.


the mormans have always been family oriented but you know that.


and if i wanted to look into the other two groups i believe i would find that they too are family oriented.
on Dec 13, 2007
and if i wanted to look into the other two groups i believe i would find that they too are family oriented.


Family oriented, yes, but they extend beyond was the point I was trying to make.

on Dec 13, 2007
One of the other dynamics of microsocialism is that it often revolves around a commonality of thought, in those cases religion.


again you can do this with a coop. get your friends and families together to go and buy the expensive stuff, let the families go and buy the cheap stuff as they want to.


ie everyone puts so much in the kettle to buy the expensive stuff. according to their abilities of course or a minimum which ever works out best for your group.
on Dec 13, 2007
Family oriented, yes, but they extend beyond was the point I was trying to make.


true.

but as a Mormon i more or less consider everyone part of the family. that doesn't mean i will throw money away Willy nilly.


my problem is i spent a year on the streets in San Francisco. and i don't want to give money to people who will use it for buzz(or whatever you want to call it). and i don't have the problem of not giving to them to buy it and go down and buy it myself. because i don't use it. sorry for the rant
on Dec 13, 2007
sorry gid not trying to fight you on this. would rather fight gene on his latest rant.
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