The journey from there to here

I remember countless tyimes throughout the last several years when our sitting President would invoke God. The far left would shout from the highest rooftops that he was violating separation of church and state by making his faith public.

That's why I find it compelling that one of Yahoo! News' lead stories features one certain former first lady's attendance at a Methodist church in Des Moines Iowa, without a hint of the irony of the article's appearing without sharp criticism:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071125/ap_po/political_play_of_the_day;_ylt=Ag9FKygWwUIWgMueAdgZZRes0NUE

According to IRS rules designed to curtail the free speech of the right, if politics are discussed in the church house, the church stands to lose its 501(c)3 status. My question is, were politics discussed at any point during the Presidential hopeful's visit? If so, will the left be as staunch in calling for the removal of tax exempt status for the Grace United Methodist church as they have been for groups like Focus on the Family everytime its leader, Dr. James Dobson, states his private political views? If not, why not? What makes this any different than when a conservative speaks out?

This was the most obvious political ploy I have ever seen. Hillary Rodham Clinton has precious little support among many of the Christian churches in the heartland. It was clearly in her best interests to be seen "worshipping", especially in a state where the political caucuses are only a few short weeks away.

The problem is, the same group that is willing to throw right wing politicians to the wolves for expressing their faith is equally quick to look the other way when one of their own uses faith as a prop to help their campaign. And that is nothing short of deplorable.


Comments
on Nov 25, 2007

Stop the presses.  The candidate, Hillary Clinton, went to church.  This is a cause for alarm, why?  Does her presence in church somehow that constitute congress passing a law establishing a religion or prohibiting free exercise of?  Are you just disappointed that God didn't smite her for entering church?  Contrary to popular belief, not all Christians are the religous right evangelicals.  There are many Christian Democrats.  There are also many Christians who are undecided.  The Republicans don't own the church or the religous vote.  

Also it is actually a Republican who opened an investigation into six televangelist and whether they abused their tax exempt status. 

Oh and the sermon was about helping those who cannot help themselves. 

on Nov 25, 2007
OK, so it's only a problem when BUSH goes to church.

I realize that to you, Hillary Clinton pees rosewater, Loca, But my point was and is that the left constantly harangues the right for using the pulpit to advance their campaign. I'm not asking for a different standard here, just an equal one.

The Republicans don't own the church or the religous vote.


No, they don't. But neither the Republicans NOR the Democrats should be claiming the God endorsement, when, assuming you BELIEVE the Bible, BOTH have a lot of policies that would tick the big guy off!
on Nov 25, 2007
I personally thing the State of the Church is pretty miserable.
on Nov 25, 2007
OK, so it's only a problem when BUSH goes to church.


I don't have a problem with Bush going to church. You have a problem with Hillary going to church.
on Nov 25, 2007
Yet another reason not to go to church...Hillary shows up there.

~Zoo
on Nov 26, 2007
OK, so it's only a problem when BUSH goes to church.


I don't have a problem with Bush going to church. You have a problem with Hillary going to church.



you don't. hillary does
on Nov 26, 2007
I don't have a problem with Bush going to church. You have a problem with Hillary going to church.


No, actually, I was pointing out the double standards of the media.

But don't let the FACTS stop you from your "He's PICKING on her!" rant. By all means, continue to be deluded into thinking that I dislike Hillary because I'm a closetted misogynist, Loca!
on Nov 26, 2007
Just for the record, Loca, I expect yours' and others' "Poor Hillary, she's JUST a woman!" campaign slogan to actually BACKFIRE! What better way to make Hillary look utterly weak and incapable of running the country?

If you so desperately want Hillary to be at the helm of the country, you (and she) better get used to this. What I have had to say about Hillary is no harsher than anything that has been said about every one of our leaders in the past.
on Nov 26, 2007

Just for the record, Loca, I expect yours' and others' "Poor Hillary, she's JUST a woman!" campaign slogan to actually BACKFIRE!


Where in this discussion did that come up? I do expect to see some fit throwing if any of the other Dem. candidates go to church in the quest for fairness though.
on Nov 26, 2007

Just for the record, Loca, I expect yours' and others' "Poor Hillary, she's JUST a woman!" campaign slogan to actually BACKFIRE!


Where in this discussion did that come up? I do expect to see some fit throwing if any of the other Dem. candidates go to church in the quest for fairness though.


I don't think that you hate Hillary because she's a woman. I just think you hate Hillary.
on Nov 26, 2007
I do expect to see some fit throwing if any of the other Dem. candidates go to church in the quest for fairness though.


If they use it as a campaign stop and I get the story, yes, I will run with it! I have no problem attacking the hypocrisy of all comers on this one.

I don't think that you hate Hillary because she's a woman. I just think you hate Hillary.


No, I have no feelings towards Hillary whatsoever. I've never met the woman, and it would be grossly unfair for me to hate her as a person on that basis.

I am, however, vehemently opposed to her politics.
on Nov 26, 2007

No, I have no feelings towards Hillary whatsoever. I've never met the woman, and it would be grossly unfair for me to hate her as a person on that basis.

I am, however, vehemently opposed to her politics.



i agree
on Nov 26, 2007
As a minnor defense of Hillary - just wait a few months and see all the democrat candidates visiting black churches - and they will not be talking about God when they do.