The journey from there to here
Published on November 4, 2007 By Gideon MacLeish In Politics

I was 14 years old when I got my first lesson in the bigotted ideals that guided my so called "liberal" family. My brother was learning to drive, and my dad had purchased his first car for him. He was talking with my brother about driving, and contemptuously referring to the "rich bitches" who drove fancier cars to the school.

And it didn't end there. My father never had a kind word for anyone who was successful. They were all liars, cheats, and dishonest in his eyes.

Small wonder, then, that in my young adult years I held the same views. I started out as a part time thug, because rich people were crooks, and they deserved me cleaning the money out of the purse they left on the bureau when they skipped out to a friend's house without locking the door. They deserved to have the money I stole from their cars pilfered or their homes vandalized. They were the crooks, not me, and I was just setting things right.

In my experience with liberals, I have to say that, to a person, every AMERICAN liberal I have known fits that very description (I'll let you liberal foreigners off the hook. In my interactions with you I am deciding there is a marked difference between a "liberal" in Australia or Canada than the US flavor). And a look around the Internet, at left wing sites, or a listen to liberal pundits like Michael Moore or Al Franken would seem to reinforce that admitted stereotype.

I'd like to be proven wrong, but so far the evidence to controvert my theory seems rather weak, as the entire ideological base of the liberal movement (once again, I am speaking of America here) seems predicated on the idea that wealth is gained unjustly and that government redistribution of wealth is the only way to remedy that injustice.

Somewhere lost in the shuffle of political debates is that area called rational thought. An area that respects the free market, but is dedicated to finding ways to make society better and stronger. That sees itself not as the champion of justice but as an arbiter of fair practices. And I'm hoping desperately to find that area.

Is it irrational to assume that there actually ARE people who believe we have a responsibility to help ensure that the poor have adequate access to health care, transportation, food, shelter and employment, but that we should find ways to do so in the private sector because the government is inefficient and top heavy? Is it irrational to assume that there are people who believe we can make social change not through legislation, but through education and a positive, proactive approach? Or am I just whizzing in the wind here?

I hope I'm wrong in my assessment that liberals hate success. I really do. But so far, all I have seen from the left is an utter contempt for success. And until I'm proven wrong, that's the stereotype that will guide my view.


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on Nov 04, 2007

I don't mind mind success and I'm sorta liberal.  I am your exception.

~Zoo

on Nov 04, 2007
zoologist,

You aren't as liberal as you think. You've just been told you are because that's what people want to be.

I would describe you as more of a centrist, actually.
on Nov 04, 2007

I would describe you as more of a centrist, actually.

Agreed.

on to the subject, in the first paragraph, "my son"? 

on Nov 04, 2007
Corrected. I should not write blogs immediately before going to sleep.
on Nov 04, 2007
I am so with you on this subject especially with making changes via private sector vs legislation.  Isn't it obvious that the government doesn't know how to handle it?  The biggest challenge is reprogramming people to take responsibility for their lot in life.  Hard to believe there was a time when people were so far the other way that they would starve before accepting a handout.  Now our society is all about entitlements, fairness and instant gratification.
on Nov 04, 2007
I was 14 years old when I got my first lesson in the bigotted ideals that guided my so called "liberal" family. My brother was learning to drive, and my dad had purchased his first car for him. He was talking with my brother about driving, and contemptuously referring to the "rich bitches" who drove fancier cars to the school.And it didn't end there. My father never had a kind word for anyone who was successful. They were all liars, cheats, and dishonest in his eyes.


I grew up experiencing the very same thing with conservative parents right smack dab in the middle of the Bible belt. Everyone loves to hate the rich, it has more to do with being poor and feeling used than ideology. You hate your boss because you don’t think he deserves to make more money than you and in many cases he doesn’t, they’re just a better ass kisser than you. And in many cases they do deserve it, but you just need an excuse to explain your own perceived failures.

Small wonder, then, that in my young adult years I held the same views. I started out as a part time thug, because rich people were crooks, and they deserved me cleaning the money out of the purse they left on the bureau when they skipped out to a friend's house without locking the door. They deserved to have the money I stole from their cars pilfered or their homes vandalized. They were the crooks, not me, and I was just setting things right.


Yea blaming your delinquent behavior on your parents, that’s something new. Of coarse all juvenile delinquents are just little Robin Hood liberals with the agenda of bringing fairness to the world.

I'd like to be proven wrong, but so far the evidence to controvert my theory seems rather weak, as the entire ideological base of the liberal movement (once again, I am speaking of America here) seems predicated on the idea that wealth is gained unjustly and that government redistribution of wealth is the only way to remedy that injustice.


It’s quite possible to be successful and not be rich and vice versa. I’m a successful contractor but if I want to be a very rich contractor I have to screw people, there is no other way. I have to give them less than they paid for; if I do a great job it simply takes to long and cost too much to get rich. You may have the best reputation in the world and have work lined up for the next decade but there are only so many hours in a day. It’s pretty much the same for sub contractors, the less work you do and product you deliver the more money you make. For most in this business they want customers annoyed when they’re finished, but not so annoyed they don’t cut a check. Point is more than enough wealthy people got that way by screwing others to at least explain the stereotype. It’s for the most part much harder, and in some businesses impossible to get rich practicing fairness.

Is it irrational to assume that there actually ARE people who believe we have a responsibility to help ensure that the poor have adequate access to health care, transportation, food, shelter and employment, but that we should find ways to do so in the private sector because the government is inefficient and top heavy? Is it irrational to assume that there are people who believe we can make social change not through legislation, but through education and a positive, proactive approach? Or am I just whizzing in the wind here?


Well I’m certainly open to new ideas but how do you think it’s possible to have any of the various assistance programs operated fairly by the private sector?
on Nov 04, 2007

Liberalism, as life philosophy, almost always leads to failure.

The principle exception is if someone has a native talent that allows themselves to become rich. That is, if they are the product being sold. I.e. their labor is also the product.

The reason for this is because liberalism ultimately assumes that it is the labor unto itself that is wealth rather than the product of that labor.

As a result, they fail to recognize that the value of labor is derived from the value society as a whole assigns to the generated product (or service) via their voluntary purchasing decisions.

That single misconception leads to personal failure, jealousy, envy, and misery.  They simply can't wrap their minds around the idea that labor unto itself is worthless. It is the thing that the labor is making that matters.

I think the misconception is tied to the tendancy of liberals to be infantile emotionally. They make their value judgments based on emotion. That's where the line "but she worked just as hard as he did." as if that is somehow relevant.

The net result is that liberals assume that the wealthy must have somehow cheated to become wealthy. After all, how can their "labor" be possibly worth 100X that of someone else unless they're cheating?

on Nov 05, 2007
Isn't it obvious that the government doesn't know how to handle it?


I think the problem is people forget the Gov't is nothing but people who, like everyone else, make mistakes, can be lazy, greedy and irresponsible just like anyone else in this country. I think we expect to much from a body that is run by average Joe's like us. I mean, I don't believe George Bush, Condi Rice or even Hilary Clinton are better than I am. They are human just like me, the bleed, eat and sleep like me and they have a social security card and birth certificate just like me. They simply have it better than I do. But they can be just as dumb, irresponsible and ignorant as I can.
on Nov 05, 2007
It’s quite possible to be successful and not be rich and vice versa. I’m a successful contractor but if I want to be a very rich contractor I have to screw people, there is no other way. I have to give them less than they paid for; if I do a great job it simply takes to long and cost too much to get rich. You may have the best reputation in the world and have work lined up for the next decade but there are only so many hours in a day. It’s pretty much the same for sub contractors, the less work you do and product you deliver the more money you make. For most in this business they want customers annoyed when they’re finished, but not so annoyed they don’t cut a check. Point is more than enough wealthy people got that way by screwing others to at least explain the stereotype. It’s for the most part much harder, and in some businesses impossible to get rich practicing fairness.


Stubby,

While in a way I can understand and agree with you, I also have to look at the fact that some of these people who you claim are being screwed may not actually feel as if they are being screwed. I mean a person can only be screwed if they think they were screwed. That would be their choice to accept being taken for a fool. They may actually feel it was a fair deal even if it could have been better. I also think that the average person that gets screwed has a responsibility to make themselves educated enough to avoid being screwed. I can't blame a car dealing for selling me a messed up car if I was too ignorant to find out about the car before I bought it. Sure he should have been more responsible towards what he was selling me, but stupid me if I bought it.

I think Obi Wan Kenobi said it best " Who's more foolish, the fool, or the fool that follows?"
on Nov 05, 2007
Well I’m certainly open to new ideas but how do you think it’s possible to have any of the various assistance programs operated fairly by the private sector?


stubby,

I replied to you yesterday on this, but it got eaten. My reply was a lengthy one, though, so I will have to wait until I have some sit down time to re-create it for you.
on Nov 05, 2007
In my experience with liberals, I have to say that, to a person, every AMERICAN liberal I have known fits that very description


You probably need to meet more american liberals then.
on Nov 05, 2007
First I have to say --DOH! I should have thought of one of our notable exceptions

HOWEVER, I also need to tell you that up until my late 20's, I was as hard core a liberal as you could find. And I knew a LOT of liberals. And all of them shared the exact same viewpoint regarding successful people.

Again, though, you strike me as more centrist than most, shades. But then again, you have the right to define yourself as you will. And there IS a lot about you that I don't know, as well.
on Nov 05, 2007
The problem with 'liberal' is that the liberal extreme is so insane that most 'liberals' are 'centrist' compared to that.

I prefer to call them 'sane liberals'.

On a liberal website I'm guessing the same thing applies to conservatives.
on Nov 05, 2007

For some reason in America we have made a culture out of "rooting for the underdog".  Now, wanting to see someone rise above their beginnings IS the American Way, but our culture seems to have taken it a step further.  Heaven help the underdog who has the nerve to actually succeed.  Then they become the enemy.

If someone tells me I'm supposed to prejudge "the rich" "the poor" or even the "middle class" they are just revealing their own bigotry.

 

on Nov 05, 2007
On a liberal website I'm guessing the same thing applies to conservatives.


LOL...probably.

When I was a liberal, I was of the extremist variety, so you're probably right.
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