The journey from there to here

I am currently watching "V for Vendetta", a movie that I must admit I've pretty much loved since I first watched it, entirely in spite of its politics, not because of it. While we could get into the discussion of the politics of the movie, that's irrelevant to the subject I have chosen. I merely made mention of it to paint the backdrop for the discussion and to introduce you to the thought processes that inspired it.

I am a fairly rational mind and not prone to conspiracy theories. But every time a conspiracy theory has been brought to my attention, I have taken time to consider the merits of the argument. Most of the conspiracy theories I have long discarded as having no merit, but every once in awhile, there's enough meat to at least seriously consider the possibilities (the JFK assassination, to name one that readily comes to mind).

While administrations fear conspiracy theories, it's my contention that free thinking individuals embrace them. Conspiracy theories are often the end product of deductive reasoning, the Holmes-ian idea that once you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

It is essential that a free society consider that no individual or entity, even its own government, is above suspicion when a horrible act is perpetrated. And conspiracy theories, however ludicrous, however inane, at least take the time to evaluate and examine the facts as they ARE, not as they are presented.

And sometimes conspiracy theories bring revelations to light through their dissection of the facts as we know them. Take the 9/11 conspiracy theory. The vast majority of it, I have written off as bunk. I witnessed the second plane hitting the tower via live television feed, as did millions of other Americans. And lest the government be accused of trick photography (unlikely, given the MSM's general DISlike of Bush, that they would cooperate so fully), there were still many New Yorkers for whom the government had no chance to edit. And given the number of conspirators necessary to maintain silence, I generally accept at least a portion of the government's story. But there are still questions about 9/11 that I have not fully resolved, questions that the conspiracy theorists, thankfully, brought to my attention. I won't go into them here (maybe in the comments section), but I'm grateful that questrions were at least asked.

Conspiracy theories are the best defense against a government run amok. As long as questions are asked, whatever the answer, we keep the government honest. A government that has to answer for its actions is a government that is hesitant to abuse its authority, at least in full view.

George W. Bush's most heinous action as a president has been to declare questioning him to be treasonous. According to the mindset of Bush, I am an enemy of the state, along with everyone who thinks as I do. He has as much as said so. Is it any stretch, then, to consider the possibility that his defense of the Patriot Act, which includes the right to usurp the Constitution for potential "terrorists", includes ANY dissident as a "terrorist"? Is it that improbable to conclude that he would not hesitate to wiretap the phones of those who simply dared to question?

I have heard the left demand that conservatives deserve to be jailed for "hate speech" because they express their views on homosexuality, Islam, etc. (not on this forum, but yes, I have heard this sentiment expressed quite seriously). And one doesn't have to search far to find Bush's proclamation that "he who is not for us is against us". Yet our founding fathers knew that the right to question, the right to speak out, was an essential component of a democracy.

Even if you disagree with conspiracy theories, you would do well to entertain them. Questioning authority is not only our right as citizens, it is our responsibility. And one we should never take lightly.


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on Sep 02, 2007

Must be the holiday or something, but I have seen too many statements made as fact of allegations that are just that.  Allegations with no facts behind them.  I have called out Soggy on that, and now you.

When did Bush declare questioning him to be treasonous?  Since he is the president, I am sure we can find the exact quote and not some idiot on du.org to back up that fact.

on Sep 02, 2007
When did Bush declare questioning him to be treasonous?


It's pretty much been an ongoing theme of the Bush Administration. He didn't outright say treason, but he HAS repeatedly invoked phrases such as "you're either with us or against us", as well as other phrases. I really don't care to debate George Bush's ethics; I think he's a snake only equalled by his predecessors as far as being a generally loathsome individual goes. I could point to provisions of the Patriot Act, to the refusal to even recognize the human rights of detainees at Gitmo and Abu Ghraib, among others, and a whole slew of other acts, but ultimately those who want to lionize him will lionize him and those who want to villainize him will villainize him.

In other words, I could google supporting quotes, but I don't care to. His supporters won't buy it anyway.
on Sep 02, 2007
In other words, I could google supporting quotes, but I don't care to. His supporters won't buy it anyway.


In other words - good dodge. For the truth is harder. Yes, I am a Bush supporter, who would not demand proof of someone who said that the Bush ADMINISTRATION has INSINUATED that - since it is clear by the wording that no one can be pinned down to stating those words (by the first word) and that it is open to interpretation and hence to ones own opinion by the second. I would debate them, but demand proof? of what? an Opinion?

However, to state as follows:

George W. Bush's most heinous action as a president has been to declare questioning him to be treasonous


is a statement of definitive fact. Declare is not open to interpretation, and neither is treasonous or questioning (even though I would debate you that your justification above is not in reference to questioning him - but the old college - get on the boat or be left behind.).

I would expect such sloppy writing from many at JU, but not you. That is why I called you to task.

on Sep 03, 2007
Hey Gid,

This is a little off-topic but if you enjoyed the movie 'V For Vendetta', check out the graphic novel that inspired it. It is by Alan Moore, who is also responsible for 'From Hell' and 'Watchmen', to name a few.

The graphic novel goes into a lot more detail than the movie does with respect to the regime and its nefarious agents. I'm sure you'd enjoy it.
on Sep 03, 2007
Declare is not open to interpretation, and neither is treasonous or questioning


The truth is, Dr, that Bush's key catch phrases are so oft repeated, that I need a better filter. The phrases I used for the search yoelded way too many irrelevant returns, and I had difficulty finding the phrases I had in mind.

It WAS a poor wording--sometimes even I have them--as it was, in fact, insinuation, not outright assertion. But this president has used phrases such as "if you're not for us, you're against us" often enough that it seems pretty clear what he thinks of dissent.

In other words, it wasn't a dodge at all. There's just no use spending a lot of time with google on a "back page" article.

This is a little off-topic but if you enjoyed the movie 'V For Vendetta', check out the graphic novel that inspired it. It is by Alan Moore


I intend to, when I have time. Tine is, sadly, not currently of the element.