The journey from there to here
But there Was No Room at the Inn for Me
Published on August 19, 2007 By Gideon MacLeish In Religion

When I came on to JU, oddly enough, my original intent was to blog on religion. It was the single most important topic in my life, and I wanted to discuss it, to debate it, and to share some thoughts.

As time went by though, my blog became more political. And in my daily life, I wish there was more I could do to grow and fellowship as a Christian.

But over time I have learned an astounding fact. Despite what they tell you when they lead you to Christ, despite what they say from the pulpits, the church in America doesn't WANT castoffs. They don't want people with questions, they don't want people with problems. They want people with nice and sunny dispositions who can smile and look pretty for the camera. And whose checks help them pay for more whitewashed tombs to be built.

I admit, I've become rather critical at the hypocrisy I see in the church. Not because I'm better than that, but because I expect the church to be better than ME. Paul lists the Fruits of the Spirit in Galatians; as at least one individual on here expressed, it would be a whole lot easier for nonbelievers to believe if they saw actions in other believers' lives that were consistent with the kind of change the Bible promises to take place.

As I've grown older, I've begun to accept the wisdom of "not going where you're not wanted". And not being wanted is the case in the majority of churches I have attended. And so I won't be there.

But I still am inclined to ask if the church has the right to reject people as callously as it does. Or if our very witness should be in loving the unlovable.


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on Aug 20, 2007
Gid I have friends scattered around this country in almost every state. Do you know they are sharing the same kind of dis-satisfaction with the church today? They are unhappy with the church, but still cling to Christ.

I wonder sometimes if God isn't pulling people out of the "American Church" (that's what I call it.) Almost like when there are enough believers who truly hunger for fellowship something big will change. But first, to build the thirst and hunger, we must endure the desert? It's an internal theory I am working on...

There is a church in Tupelo Mississippi I am blogging on....all I can say is, wow. The place was what other churches say they are...and if every town had one...well it'd be awesome!


on Aug 20, 2007
So people from my church can form secular bands, and they'll probably even 'make it' but at what cost? It's so hard to find good Christian music, if they had just kept doing what they were doing they would have done just fine, I know it.


Just because it doesn't say the word "Jesus" over and over doesn't mean it can't be uplifting. There are plenty of bands out there putting out "secular" music that I find much more inspiring than the best "Christian" music out there.

Besides, all that repetition of the Lord's name on those Christian discs is borderline taking His name in vain, man.
on Aug 20, 2007
Gid I have friends scattered around this country in almost every state. Do you know they are sharing the same kind of dis-satisfaction with the church today? They are unhappy with the church, but still cling to Christ.


Yes, and the fact there are so many should indicate there is, actually, a problem.

Our situation goes beyond dissatisfaction, though. There were whisperings by my children's Sunday School teachers of having our kids taken away from us for the simple fact that they would not read aloud in Sunday School (they were capable of doing so, they just didn't WANT to). These intentions were mouthed openly to my instructor at the college, and the rumours of these people cost me at least one job.

They also cost us the aforementioned $2000 in legal and other fees to deal with the problems these people brought about. INCLUDING $250 paid for bail when I was arrested two weeks before Christmas because my lawn was too hight. I could have fought all of this, of course, but I quickly found out people were jockeying to get on the jury so that they could be part of inflicting the maximum possible penalties on us...and all of these, of course, being good, upstanding Christians.

As to why we haven't moved out, well, to be frank, we haven't had the money.
on Aug 20, 2007
"Just because it doesn't say the word "Jesus" over and over doesn't mean it can't be uplifting."

Right. This wasn't.
on Aug 21, 2007
KFC, ever heard of Dave Luben? He was a really good worship leader. Now he's David Martin, a secular love song guy.


No. My favorite worship leader of all time is Charles Billingsly, now at Thomas Road Baptist Church in Lynchburg. He just left David Jeremiah's church in CA to go back to Liberty and TR. I think he's the best in the country actually. The other guy I like alot travels with Beth Moore out of Texas. His name is Travis Cottrel (sp).

I'm glad they don't live around here anymore, or I would kick the moneychangers out of his temple, if you know what I mean.


yes, I know. At our church we don't have Christian artists come because we will not sell CD's at the door. If they want to come and bless our church with fine uplifting Christian music, fine. But what we've been running into is they only will come if they can sell their wares on a back table as well.

We don't want to do this. We sell nothing at our church. One particular group was at Soul Fest in NH and was asked if they would consider playing here at our church by one of our members who really liked their music. When our Assoc. Pastor called at the urging of this church member he was met with silence when asked if they would consider playing without selling their stuff. When asked if they would incorporate a testimony with their music they said they don't do that. The music was their testimony. oooooooooook our Pastor said. I guess you're not the right band for our church.

When it becomes more about money than Jesus. It doesn't belong in church.

I'll get around with my email later.


ok

on Aug 21, 2007
"When it becomes more about money than Jesus. It doesn't belong in church."

That's pretty much what I was trying to say.

Although, are church is currently promoting a worship music CD, being put together by our worship leader, and selling it at the table in back(pre-orders now - got two!). Of course, this is going to be the church's worship CD, and will include the voices of the congregation in the recording. I think that's okay to promote.

You want I should order you a copy, KFC? Could be uplifting!
on Aug 21, 2007
selling it at the table in back(pre-orders now - got two!). Of course, this is going to be the church's worship CD, and will include the voices of the congregation in the recording. I think that's okay to promote.


see the diff between your church and mine is....we'd give them out for free. That's what speaks volumes.

Right now we give out hundreds of CD's and DVD's of the weekly service. During VBS we purchased a case of CD's of the weekly music for the children and gave them out to each child who came.

I was part of being the voice in the congregation down in Lynchburg last week as they also had a music night that was being made into a CD. As far as I know these also are given free to visitors. At least their old one is.

You want I should order you a copy, KFC? Could be uplifting!


hahahah sure. Maybe I can hear you on there?

Right now I'm listening to a group called "This Hope." It's a group of five. They come out of GA and are trying to break out. I met and heard them on the cruise last January. I actually sat at dinner with one of the guys and his wife.




on Aug 21, 2007
We couldn't afford to produce the whole thing and give away 1000+ copies to our members, and we're supposed to buy them to give away as well.

We do give some stuff away, though, especially to new visitors. Materials, Bibles, CD/Tape of the sermon, that kind of thing. And a CD called "Now That You've Decided" or something along the lines of "The Case for Christ" if they didn't make the decision...

Though it does make sense to give it away for free, or with a donation, they really needed the seed money, or so they claim.
on Aug 21, 2007
Though it does make sense to give it away for free, or with a donation, they really needed the seed money, or so they claim.


it's amazing what God can do. We also don't like fund raisers either. We don't have them. The reasoning behind it is what is it conveying to the world outside? Are we saying that God doesn't provide for us? And we see amazing things happen. We've been talking about giving away free gas at the gas station. We would just decide to donate like $2,000 worth of gas and get to talk to the people as they pump letting them know in the name of Jesus we want to pay for their gas. Everytime we go out and do this type of thing, God blesses us immensely.

For instance we had a group go down to New Orleans this past Spring. They had to fund themselves. Once down there they had a host church to house them, but so much money was needed for plane fare and food etc. I think each person had to raise about 500 for the trip.

Well so many on their own (no pleas given) decided since they couldn't go, they'd like to donate money to the cause to help. By the time of the trip, each one going had total money donated to the cause. There was about 15-20 that went. All was paid. No fund raising. No pleas. God does supply our needs when we put the focus on him.

It sounds like Jythier you have a big church, much bigger than us.
on Aug 21, 2007
"It sounds like Jythier you have a big church, much bigger than us."

It's big and it's heading to mega-church status. I hate it, I want a nice, simple church where I can know everybody, but my wife would rather be lost in a crowd.

I don't understand it - how can I know if someone is new and greet them as such if I don't know everyone there? How sad is it to have gone there for years and be asked, "Is this your first time here?"
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