The journey from there to here
Published on April 7, 2007 By Gideon MacLeish In Religion

The discussion of living together before marriage was broached on another thread. I didn't want to jump in there because, well, it's already gotten sticky. But it did bring up a relevant moment in my past that is worth mentioning.

(Firing up the "way back" machine).

I'll admit it. My wife and I lived together before we were married. I'll readily admit it was a less than perfect solution to issues at the time, but honestly, our options were rather limited. Her home life was NOT an ideal situation in which she should have stayed, and housing wasn't particularly cheap. I'm not rationalizing here, just explaining to set this up.

A friend and I shared the apartment, and we were asked by our pastor if we could take in another roommate. This guy was a new Christian, and was in desperate need of a place to stay. I spoke with my rommate about it and we agreed there was the space to do it.

The new roommate jumped right into his intended role of trying to be a preacher/evangelist, and asked about hosting a Bible Study on a particular night. Roommate and I agreed, the roomie wasn't fond of the Bible Study, but didn't consider it a hassle to go out for the evening.

The first Bible Study was memorable, as several passages were directly plagiarized from a familiar commentary. I recognized the error and spoke with the new roomie about it. At the time it seemed insignificant, but as the larger picture of this individual emerged, it seemed increasingly relevant.

A few weeks went by. The roommate called me aside one day and lectured me about my living arrangement with my future wife. It was sin, he told me, and I needed to repent and kick my wife out immediately. I refused, as nobody who criticized things was offering any reasonable alternative.

On one Friday, I decided to set aside a special evening, and rented "The Three Musketeers" on Pay-Per-View on a night when my friends were out and about. The following morning, one roommate happened to notice porn on the TV, and asked myself and the new roommate about it. The new roommate said he didn't know anything and wondered if somehow when we had watched the videon the night before, the PPV had unlocked other channels and left them unlocked. We considered it unlikely, but wrote it off for the moment.

New roommate continued to chastise our living arrangement and regularly berated us for our "unholy" lifestyle. Meanwhile, new roommate was falling farther and farther behind on his bills, and the other roommate and I tried to be as understanding as we could.

Finally the day came when we had to kick new roommate out. He hadn't paid any bills in over two months, and we couldn't keep carrying him. We sent him packing.

Less than a week later, the other roommate got his cable bill, with over $200 worth of porn charged to it. We checked out the times, and every time the porn was ordered, both of us were away from the house. So there really was only one culprit, the roommate we had just expelled.

We went and confronted him for his actions, and the matter was eventually dealt with. But over the entire time he was criticizing my living arrangement with my soon to be wife, he was lying, stealing (porn channels he did not intend to pay for and plagiarizing), and engaged in activities that at their best were equally as abhorrent as the behavior he was condemning in us (and could have been worse; I've never watched those particular channels, so I honestly don't know).

Now, I know it may not be hip to quote the Bible when discussing, err, matters of Christian behavior, but isn't there something there about taking out the beam in your own eye before pulling the splinter out of someone else's?


Comments
on Apr 07, 2007
Why didn't your wife move into that third room and pay rent? Wouldn't that have been a 'Christian' solution?

Don't get me wrong - I'm not going to judge you either way. I don't have the right. But I'd always go for asking the girlfriend to pay rent over getting some new psychotic into the house.
on Apr 07, 2007
Why didn't your wife move into that third room and pay rent? Wouldn't that have been a 'Christian' solution?


Oh, she paid rent. But no, that's not the "Christian" solution in these circles. The "Christian" solution is for the engaged to live completely apart and pretend that these feelings for each other aren't happening.
on Apr 07, 2007
Hi Gid,

I guess you must be referring to my blog? Well that wasn't the intended subject as you probably know...it seems to be the rabbit trail we're going down at the moment tho. I was just thrilled to see God at work in this situation and with excitement wrote about it....boy I had no idea the reaction I'd get. Heck, you just never know what's gonna get noticed around here. I didn't think this would that's for sure.

I hope you know, that if I saw my Christian friend living in a way that wasn't honoring to God, regardless of what it is, that I'd broach the subject just once. There would be no harping. It doesn't do any good anyhow.

I actually did bring this up to a young couple that I accidently found out were living together. She was 18, and he was 21. My husband was going to perform their upcoming wedding. We had no idea their living arrangment as they were fairly new to the church. Just during a normal exchange between her and I, it came out. I asked..."are you two living together?" She said, "yes." I said, "do you know as Christians that's not what God has intended for us?" She said, "no, I didn't know that." She was a new Christian, newly baptized that same month.

So immediately she turns to her intended and says....."you've got the couch. I've got the bed." They were going to get married in a month's time. So that's all that was said between them and us. Not a big deal was made. She never even knew it wasn't a Godly ideal for her life. A month later they were married. What a diff between this couple and the one I recently blogged about.

They still go to our church 3 years later, now husband and wife happy as two larks and I love them to pieces. People just don't know these things anymore like they used to. We can't take it for granted.

on Apr 07, 2007
I guess you must be referring to my blog? Well that wasn't the intended subject as you probably know...it seems to be the rabbit trail we're going down at the moment tho.


Another reason I didn't want to jump in there...lol!

I hope you know, that if I saw my Christian friend living in a way that wasn't honoring to God, regardless of what it is, that I'd broach the subject just once. There would be no harping. It doesn't do any good anyhow.


But see, I think I know you well enough to know that if a couple came to you concerned about this type of issue, you would at least be willing to see if someone could take in one of the two until they were married...if they truly wanted it. In other words, provide a viable solution, not a straight out judgement.

What got me about our experience, though, was the sheer hypocrisy of the individual doing the judging. It is my experience that often people who are most judgemental are those who struggle with the exact same problem in their own lives, which is probably EXACTLY why Christ used that illustration.
on Apr 07, 2007
Oh, she paid rent. But no, that's not the "Christian" solution in these circles. The "Christian" solution is for the engaged to live completely apart and pretend that these feelings for each other aren't happening.


Yeah I have to admit it's a little odd considering how so many pastors and priests carry on with 'housekeepers' and the like. I guess the Christian life ain't for me!
on Apr 07, 2007
Yeah I have to admit it's a little odd considering how so many pastors and priests carry on with 'housekeepers' and the like. I guess the Christian life ain't for me!


well you don't look at the sinner, you look at Christ. That's where the focus is supposed to be. Why would you want to let a hypocrite stand in your way anyhow? Recognize them for what they are and move around them.

In other words, provide a viable solution, not a straight out judgement.


yes, we can't just say..."don't do this." We should be able to help them if they are unable to do this themselves. The goal being to bring them closer to God and be productive Christians fit for the Kingdom.

It is my experience that often people who are most judgemental are those who struggle with the exact same problem in their own lives, which is probably EXACTLY why Christ used that illustration.


this is sooooooo true. We were just talking about this the other day. Don't we all do this to a certain extent? I mean, reformed smokers are the worst against those who smoke still. Those who have a secret fault or sin recognize it quickly in another and can be the most critical. I found this in my own life as well. Certain personalities bug me until I realize they are just like me. Sometimes it might be something I've gotten over and straightened out, so why don't they? I have to remind myself that I'm a sinner saved by grace and have compassion on them. We're all works in progress and we must remember that. We must have patience...or is it long suffering. Lord knows, he's been long suffering with me.