The journey from there to here
Published on March 20, 2007 By Gideon MacLeish In Religion

As a Christian, I have often heard people that are turned off to Christianity tell me that Buddhism is the kind of faith that attracts them. The idea of peace, and of being in harmony with the universe appeals to them, and Buddhism, to them, embodies that sort of ideal.

The problem is, in many years of encounters with people of all faiths, I have yet to meet many Buddhists who live the kind of faith that Buddhism preaches.

I could say similar things about Islam. Despite all of its protestations of being a religion of peace, I have only met a handful of Muslims that were not anti-semitic on some level, and have met several that were virulently so.

And as for Scientology...look at Tom Cruise. The guy's plain off his rocker. John Travolta still seems sane, but some of the people in Scientology are truly flipped out, despite belonging to a religion that claims to get rid of those kinds of things. I'd rather go to a dinner party with Brooke Shields on her antidepressants than with Tom Cruise.

What strikes me, though, is despite the fact that there are so many people in each of these faiths whose lifestyles are anything but what the faith teaches, you don't find people making a big deal about "hypocritical Buddhists", or "Friday only Muslims". In fact, of the world religions, the one that gets viewed with the most critical eye is Christianity.

Now, I have my own reasons as to whym, but I'd like to hear yours. Why aren't the same criticisms levelled at Christians levelled at practitioners of other faiths, even when the very same problems exist in those other faiths?


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on Mar 21, 2007
Good Morning Gideon,

Pushy Buddhists? Hmmm. Not my sangha. We are as low profile as you can get. Not door knocking, pamphleting, signage, neon lights. Just black robes and a cushion facing a plain wall. No one is ever asked to take the refuges, in fact, it is fairly sdtandard practice to turn people away at least three times. Hardly pushy. What has been your experience?

Be well.

on Mar 21, 2007
I have had exactly the opposite experiences with Buddhists.


We live on different continents, they could well be completely different where you live. I can't say.

Numbers shouldn't increase or lessen INDIVIDUAL accountability to hold to the tenets of their faith. "But there's more of you" doesn't give you an excuse to be an A***. I mean, there ARE more females than males in the world, right? So should that justify chauvinism? You be the judge.
on Mar 21, 2007
would ask you to use zazen to deepen your faith and enrich your practice as a Christian.


I've heard that there's a belief out there that both Christianity and Buddhism work well together and I have to say, that's not true. While there are some good teachings from Buddhism that go along with biblical teaching, as a whole the two would not be able to reconcile.


As Sodaiho pointed out, "It has no dogma, no central hierarchy, no articles of faith",


We need to remember that Buddhism came out of Hinduism but unlike Hinduism Buddhism can point to a specific founder. I would have to say there is dogma tho and it comes out of their sacred scriptures which is about 11 times larger than the bible. I do believe that Buddhism as a whole tho is really like Hinduism still, a family of religions rather than a single religion or faith.

When Jesus said, I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life," etc. I believe he meant his example is the way. Follow his lead.


It's very clear....... he said I AM the way. I AM the truth, I AM the Life. Not, I'll show you the way. He IS the way. Remember he said, "I AM the door."

The issue should not be whether or not we like this claim, but whether or not it is true. If true, we have two conclusions to follow. One is that we are deceiving ourselves if we think that we can get to God (or heaven) any other way. Second, if we are already following this way (Jesus) we are called to be witnesses to the truth.

When Pilate washed his hands before the soon to be crucified Christ, he asked "What is truth?"

Truth was standing right in front of him.
on Mar 21, 2007
Gideon,

But there's more of you" doesn't give you an excuse to be an A***.


I agree with you on this, for sure. Yet, there are those who continue to be hypocritical, regardless. It is just the way some people are, or, to couch it in Buddhist terms, it is their nature.

KFC,

We need to remember that Buddhism came out of Hinduism but unlike Hinduism Buddhism can point to a specific founder.


This is incorrect. Buddhism came out of India, which is predominantly a Hindu nation but it didn't rise from Hinduism.

I do believe that Buddhism as a whole tho is really like Hinduism still, a family of religions rather than a single religion or faith.


I don't know how you can say you believe it to be like Hinduism. Do a little research and you will find it to be very different indeed. To put it in your terms, Christianity could also be viewed as a 'family of religions' too.
on Mar 21, 2007
"But there's more of you" doesn't give you an excuse to be an A***. I mean, there ARE more females than males in the world, right? So should that justify chauvinism? --Gideon


Who was justifying it?
on Mar 21, 2007
Abe,

Well, your answer seems to.

My point was, and is, why we don't hold people of other faiths to the same standard as Christians. Numbers should have nothing to do with it.
on Mar 21, 2007
Gideon,

I thought the point of your article was to ask why there is more criticism of Christians in America (my assumption, if you meant worldwide please correct me). This is an entirely different question than, "why we don't hold people of other faiths to the same standard as Christians".

on Mar 21, 2007
Why aren't the same criticisms levelled at Christians levelled at practitioners of other faiths, even when the very same problems exist in those other faiths?


The above was the question posted verbatim, which is exactly that question, abe. I didn't think it was that complex when I asked it but obviously it needed more elaboration
on Mar 21, 2007
This is incorrect. Buddhism came out of India, which is predominantly a Hindu nation but it didn't rise from Hinduism.


The way I've heard it put is that people living at the time had become disillusioned with certain beliefs of Hinduism including the caste system which had grown extremely complex. The number of outcasts was continuing to grow. Many of the Hindu beliefs were met with dread so the people turned to a variety of beliefs including the worship of animals to satisfy this spiritual vacuum. Many diff sects of Hinduism arose with Buddhism being one of the most successful with Siddhartha Gautama as the founder.

I don't know how you can say you believe it to be like Hinduism.


I say that because of the many forms it takes. From what I understand (and I'm not an expert here) there is a wide variety of belief in the diff sects with much that is contradictory. There is so so many forms within Buddhism (literally hundreds of forms) that's why I called it a family of religions rather than a single religion.

on Mar 21, 2007
The above was the question posted verbatim, which is exactly that question, abe. I didn't think it was that complex when I asked it but obviously it needed more elaboration


Obviously.

Why aren't the same criticisms levelled at Christians levelled at practitioners of other faiths


What are you talking about? You did exactly that in this very article. Are you saying you are the only one to have ever done so? Of course you aren't. You are saying you just don't hear about it very much. Why? Because there aren't very many people of other faiths in this country (comparatively).


on Mar 21, 2007
Obviously.


I was being sarcastic. Of the people that read this, you are the only one who struggled with comprehension, Abe. That would tend to indicate a problem at your end, not mine.

What are you talking about? You did exactly that in this very article.


No, I asked a question. I stated that the very same things are true of EVERY faith, yet they are pointed out in Christians.

I asked a question, abe. A valid one.

Why? Because there aren't very many people of other faiths in this country (comparatively).


That's funny. I'll have to tell all of the Jews, Buddhists, Muslims and Unitarians I know that they don't exist.
on Mar 21, 2007
I was being sarcastic.


No! Really? (hint: I was responding with sarcasm to your sarcasm when I said "obviously").

No, I asked a question. I stated that the very same things are true of EVERY faith


Oh, I see! You were making statements, not criticisms. So nobody else has ever made these "statement" other than you? When others make these same "statements" about Christianity those are criticisms, right?

That's funny. I'll have to tell all of the Jews, Buddhists, Muslims and Unitarians I know that they don't exist.


And you accuse me of a reading comprehension problem?
on Mar 21, 2007
Ya know what, abe? I've tried and tried to get around you just being a troll. You're simply picking arguments for the sake of making them.

Attack the issue, not the person. I don't care if you hate my guts, leave it behind when you comment on my blog or I'll deny you that privilege.

You have an interesting take on the issues, one that I'd like to keep listening to. But you're going to have to address the issues more directly or I don't want to hear it. You completely missed the question, then spun it around to suit your needs.

Read my blog or don't read it. It makes no difference. But let's not get TOO far off the mark in our rebuttals, shall we?

Your response in #23 was way off target, Abe. That wasn't even CLOSE to the question I asked. Yet you asked it that way because you wanted to see it.
on Mar 21, 2007
Of the people that read this, you are the only one who struggled with comprehension, Abe. That would tend to indicate a problem at your end, not mine.


The above was the question posted verbatim, which is exactly that question, abe. I didn't think it was that complex when I asked it but obviously it needed more elaboration


Attack the issue, not the person.



I don't hate you Gideon. If I did, I wouldn't try to have discussions with you. If you didn't like the tone of my responses, then you should first look at how you responded to me.



on Mar 21, 2007
I don't hate you Gideon. If I did, I wouldn't try to have discussions with you. If you didn't like the tone of my responses, then you should first look at how you responded to me.


Well, sometimes it appears as if you come in to play devil's advocate. Honestly, I followed you up until the aforementioned response #23...because that was way off what I said.

My point was and is that, while the charges against Christians are true, they are truths that are equally true of every other faith on the planet. So why single out Christians? I don't think it has to do with population, honestly, I think it has more to do with a higher standard being expected of Christians, which leaves me asking the question "why"?

And Sodaiho, my reference to Buddhism wasn't to single it out above all of the other faiths, but to offer a reference to a faith where I have seen the exact same behavior, inconsistent with the tenets of the faith. You may be justified in feeling that Buddhism is not a "faith" (although your argument DOES echo that of Christians who insist Christianity is not a "religion", whether you want it to or not), but the fact is, there are teachings that are true of Buddhism, teachings that aren't held by a good number of people who profess to be Buddhists. Now, MY answer to that is because there are "pretenders" to the Buddhist faith, just as there are "pretenders" to the Christian faith. And those pretenders are in no way representative of the faith. I think we could agree on that, could we not?

The point I've been trying to make here is that when Christians point out that there are pretenders to the faith, most people who ask about Christian hypocrites don't accept that. In my personal experience (and not in any study based on anything remotely scientific), the number one excuse people give for not attending church is that "it's full of hypocrites". I've never once heard them say that about ANY other faith.
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