The journey from there to here
Published on March 6, 2007 By Gideon MacLeish In Politics

In the wake of the demand that we triple federal spending and tax those bastard rich to pay for it, I thought I'd offer you the other side...the primary reason why I believe that EVERY government department, EVERY program, could stand at least a 10% cut. It's also a reason why I've come to loathe the way our bureaucracy so often works.

For 5 1/2 years, as you all know, I was the manager of a group home for the developmentally disabled. I'd get to see the budgets "from the inside".

Our food and household budgets were the same from month to month, but every year we would get a budget for "big ticket" items. Ideally, this was to pay for furnishings, home maintenance issues beyond our maintenance budget, etc. Every January, we would have this budget to work with.

When I started managing, being my frugal self, I tried to pace out the budget. After all, we needed to keep a reserve in case a TV stopped functioning or something not covered by the maintenance budget or the residents' funds (in the case of items damaged directly through their actions). The first thing my supervisor taught me was that in our agency, this was a nono. This budget was ideally to be spent before January 31, under the idea that if an emergency occurred, they would HAVE to cover it, whether they wanted to or not, and that if we had money held in reserve, they would draw out of that first.

We were also taught the "if you don't use it, you lose it" principle. One year we learned in October that our food budget had been miscalculated and that we had money coming into the food budget that hadn't been provided to us. We had two and a half months to spend down the surplus, in addition to our regular food budget. As a result, our Christmas party included lobster tails on the menu...all on the taxpayer's dime.

Yet despite these surpluses, our bosses were constantly begging for extras, constantly complaining there wasn't enough money in the budget to take care of these poor, needy individuals. Every year, it was the same story: we were struggling, and these poor people would be left homeless if legislators didn't vote in X% increase.

I believe that virtually every department could be cut by 10% without the people who are most reliant on the aid feeling it at all, provided those cuts are made in the right places. Take food stamps, for instance. Federal guidelines currently state that a family of four is eligible for food stamps as long as their net income does not exceed $19,356. A family my size (family of 8) is eligible as long as the net income does not exceed $32,400. I believe that cutting at the top end of that, as well as cutting the dollar of food stamps received at the top end is not only reasonable and fair, but necessary. During the brief time we received food stamps, we received well in excess of $500 a month. It was so much more than what we needed that we found ourselves having to find ways to spend down the surplus, because there is no incentive for money not spent. Without some hard research, I would have a hard time saying exactly where the income cap should lie, but I personally believe that no family, regardless of size, should be receiving food stamps if their annual net income exceeds $25,000. Remember, this is net, not gross, income.

For too long our government has been treated like an endless trough: "if you spend it, they will pay" is the mantra of far too many bureaucrats. It is not until we begin cutting off the agencies that operate on this mentality that we will begin to see an effective change. I guarantee that if the local HeadStart program has to shut its doors November 15, somebody will find a way to fill in the gap and some heads will roll once the poor money management that resulted in the closure is exposed. Sure there will be people demanding bigger government (sadly, there always are) but the simplest way to counter that is to show them just HOW MUCH money was flushed down the drain. If people knew, for instance, how much their governments actually spend on education, they would not be so quick to demand a raise.

The figures do not lie: we are spending over $9000 per man, woman and child on the federal government. That is simply too much, and we need to figure out how to reign in the runaway spending. If we don't do it now, we will have little choice but to become a socialist nation to pay for the excess. And the entire country will suffer greatly if that happens.


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on Mar 09, 2007
Well that is the price for free-range non-stimmed varieties rather than battery eggs, but yeah. I guess the poor can't afford to make that minor moral choice


Actually, you hit on a hot topic for me, cacto. The poor SHOULD be able to make that choice by raising their own birds to get eggs, as long as they live on a decent sized property and clean up after them. But many areas have zoning laws against chickens to prevent such things from happening.

I agree with you that when you can make such a moral choice, you should. But when you're on a budget sometimes economy trumps compassion.
on Mar 10, 2007
The poor SHOULD be able to make that choice by raising their own birds to get eggs, as long as they live on a decent sized property and clean up after them.


I think the problem there is that most poor people don't live on a decent sized property or don't have the common lands to support chickens. In the third world there's always space to grow chickens; in the first world that just doesn't exist really.

Personally I'm against the raising of roosters in urban areas - it's a common good noise pollution issue. But chickens aren't so bad. They squawk a little, sure, but they don't cry out that loudly. The insulation on most houses is enough to drown them out.

If you want to raise chickens near me I've got no problems. It's roosters I loathe.
on Mar 10, 2007
It's roosters I loathe.


You would love manchita then.
on Mar 10, 2007

If you want to raise chickens near me I've got no problems. It's roosters I loathe.

...and that I understand. In our community, roosters (or, more specifically, any animal capable of crowing) are banned, but chickens are OK. When we get a privacy fence put up (we won't do it before; that's just an invitation for more nastiness from this vile community), we'll buy our chickens straight run (meaning they haven't been sexed) and butcher the roosters when they reach crowing age (about 6-8 weeks). Yeah, they'll be a little small but they should be pretty tender at that age. And what we save by not having to pay extra for all hens will make up for it.

on Mar 10, 2007
When we get a privacy fence put up (we won't do it before; that's just an invitation for more nastiness from this vile community), we'll buy our chickens straight run (meaning they haven't been sexed) and butcher the roosters when they reach crowing age (about 6-8 weeks). Yeah, they'll be a little small but they should be pretty tender at that age. And what we save by not having to pay extra for all hens will make up for it.


I have to confess ignorance about poultry but how will you make more chickens if you're killing the roosters at 6-8 weeks?
on Mar 10, 2007
I have to confess ignorance about poultry but how will you make more chickens if you're killing the roosters at 6-8 weeks?


One of two things: either we won't breed them, or we'll look into getting the vocal cords removed from one of the roosters when they're of crowing age. The law in our community does not forbid having a rooster, just an animal capable of crowing (probably a deliberate loophole). We're more interested in the eggs than the meat.

But we're looking at raising some breeds that are somewhat in demand, so we may have to do something to keep a rooster or two on hand.
on Mar 11, 2007
I hope you'll forgive me for thinking that "Ironic that in a world where 20% of the population lives on $1 a day US, you would consider $10 a day to be starvation," you were comparing individuals to individuals. Even now that you've explained, I don't think it's very ironic the way you frame it. If you're living on the exact same amount as the poorest people in the world ($10 a day for 10 people = $1), you're close to starvation, albeit by choice.
on Mar 11, 2007
If you're living on the exact same amount as the poorest people in the world ($10 a day for 10 people = $1), you're close to starvation, albeit by choice.


WOW, noumenon. You consider $1 a day FOOD BUDGET the same as $1 a day food, shelter, transportation, clothing, etc budget? You're so deluded it isn't even funny!

Apparently flour, oil, sugar and baking soda/powder don't exist in your deluded liberal world. If it ain't processed it ain't food, huh?
on Mar 11, 2007
hope you'll forgive me for thinking that "Ironic that in a world where 20% of the population lives on $1 a day US, you would consider $10 a day to be starvation," you were comparing individuals to individuals. Even now that you've explained, I don't think it's very ironic the way you frame it. If you're living on the exact same amount as the poorest people in the world ($10 a day for 10 people = $1), you're close to starvation, albeit by choice.


I hope you'll forgive me if I question your math? Gideon "never" made the claim that he now lives on $1 a day. He said that from when he was a child, not in todays living.

Yeah... I don't think it's right to have a child on $1 a day when he'll grow up malnourished. $500 for 8 kids is not $10 a day, though, it's $2 a day, which is less than my mother spent on us five kids in 1980 when we were living off one pastor's salary and paying for parochial school. It isn't excessive.


No, I meant $10 a day for the WHOLE FAMILY, which is about what we spend. And our kids eat well. We buy whole grain bread at thrift stores; bread that retails for about $3.00 a loaf, for 85 cents a loaf. We buy produce on sale. We buy meat on sale. We eat a fair amount of chicken, we eat beans, we eat oatmeal, cornmeal, stuff that is cheap but also reasonably nutritious. Where you seem to be sticking is on the idea that we never spend more than $10 a day; that is simply not the case. Some days we spend $3-4 less (which was part of the point of my article), and some days we spend substantially more. Being frugal doesn't mean that you never have steak, it just means you have it seldom enough to enjoy it when it IS on the table.
on Mar 11, 2007
drmiler,

Actually, I have stated (and I will continually defend) that I feed my family adequately on $300/mo. Since my family is a family of 8, Noumenon believes that means that our rent, transportation, utilities, and food come to $300 a month, or $1.25/day per family member, which is something I never asserted.

Hewre's a clue to how we live the way we do, Noumenon. I have calculated up the retail value of our monthly food budget, and if everything we buy were bought name brand, off sale, and without coupons, we would be spending $500-600 a month. But because our menu revolves around what is on sale that week, we spend about 50% of what we would otherwise. The bread example is a good one: We buy bread that retails for about $3 a loaf for 85 cents a loaf at the thrift store. If we baked it, it would cost about the same.

I don't mind getting into a healthy debate on the issue. I DO mind very much when thrift is alleged as neglect, as Noumenon has clearly done. Noumenon is obviously an individual who has NO CLUE what it's like to live in the real world!
on Mar 11, 2007
Other examples of the above:

Cream of mushroom soup: 50 cents a can. The retail price for Campbell's Cream of Mushroom soup is about $1 a can.

Peas: 40 cents a can. Del Monte? 89 cents, unless you catch it on sale

Ground beef: $1.39 a pound. Usually found at over $2.00 a pound, we buy plenty of it when it's on sale.

WalMart store brand baking mix: $1.18. Bisquick? About twice that. "Brand name" pancake mix? even more!

20 lb bag of pinto beans: $8 (40 cents a pound). 1 pound bag? 79 cents - $1.00

Want to call me a liar again, Noumenon?
on Mar 11, 2007
drmiler,

Actually, I have stated (and I will continually defend) that I feed my family adequately on $300/mo. Since my family is a family of 8, Noumenon believes that means that our rent, transportation, utilities, and food come to $300 a month, or $1.25/day per family member, which is something I never asserted.

Here's a clue to how we live the way we do, Noumenon. I have calculated up the retail value of our monthly food budget, and if everything we buy were bought name brand, off sale, and without coupons, we would be spending $500-600 a month. But because our menu revolves around what is on sale that week, we spend about 50% of what we would otherwise. The bread example is a good one: We buy bread that retails for about $3 a loaf for 85 cents a loaf at the thrift store. If we baked it, it would cost about the same.


Gideon. go back and read my reply

I hope you'll forgive me if I question your math? Gideon "never" made the claim that he now lives on $1 a day. He said that from when he was a child, not in todays living.


Have you "ever" made the claim that you live (present day) on $1 a day?

And as far as the $300 a month? I know it can be done. I've never questioned your ability to do it. I myself have done it with 2 kids and a wife back in 1981. We ate very well. And that was with me supplying venison for the freezer (what I did was/is called poaching, but living where I did at the time no one said spit about it). So you can imagine how well we ate.
on Mar 11, 2007
Have you "ever" made the claim that you live (present day) on $1 a day?


No I haven't. Noumenon's calculation came from my $10/day figure for feeding my family, a figure he demands is impossible. He divided by 8 and came to $1.25, which he somehow assumed to be the total I spend on food, shelter, transportation, etc...when he lumped me in with the 20% of the world's poorest!

What he's not counting on, though, is my extremely frugal nature (I'm the bargain king; I shop smart...usually), or the fact that it is cheaper to feed large groups of people than it is to feed individuals, or the fact that it's cheaper to cook for yourself than to use processed food (spaghetti and meatballs for 8...$4...2 bucks of that is the meat! And I could make it even cheaper if we made our own sauce!), or a lot of other variables. Like the twerp on the other thread that I've taken to ignoring, Noumenon obviously has little real life experience in the matter or he'd know better.

Where I responded to you was that the comment about being the total spent on five kids in 1980 was made by Noumenon, not me. I don't know what my parents spent...but I guarantee you it was less than $500 a month, especially since my mother was working a $6 an hour job at the time!
on Mar 11, 2007
No I haven't. Noumenon's calculation came from my $10/day figure for feeding my family, a figure he demands is impossible. He divided by 8 and came to $1.25, which he somehow assumed to be the total I spend on food, shelter, transportation, etc...when he lumped me in with the 20% of the world's poorest!


Sometimes I don't think he's too awfully bright!

What he's not counting on, though, is my extremely frugal nature (I'm the bargain king; I shop smart...usually), or the fact that it is cheaper to feed large groups of people than it is to feed individuals, or the fact that it's cheaper to cook for yourself than to use processed food (spaghetti and meatballs for 8...$4...2 bucks of that is the meat! And I could make it even cheaper if we made our own sauce!), or a lot of other variables. Like the twerp on the other thread that I've taken to ignoring, Noumenon obviously has little real life experience in the matter or he'd know better.


Actually I wouldn't advise it unless you're going to make a LOT of sauce! I do make my own and it costs me a little more than $1.50 per qt. The only way to save a bunch of money is if you grow your own tomatoes. Jars and lids are most of that expense.
on Mar 11, 2007
Actually I wouldn't advise it unless you're going to make a LOT of sauce! I do make my own and it costs me a little more than $1.50 per qt. The only way to save a bunch of money is if you grow your own tomatoes. Jars and lids are most of that expense.


yeah...we're well stocked on jars and lids, though. I'm hoping within a year or two we can start producing a fair amount of tomatoes.

You're right though. When it comes to produce, especially produce like tomatoes with a short shelf life, sometimes canned food is cheaper. But eventually I'd like to have my own spaghetti sauce around.
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