The journey from there to here

In the wake of Saddam Hussein and the villainization of myself and others on this blogsite by certain pseudoliberals (I cannot call them liberals; they are inconsistent in their belief and thought and real liberals do not deserve the stain these people who profess to be liberals put on the name. They are no more liberals than the KKK are Christians), it has been stated that my words, my opinions, are equivalent to the actions of one Mr. Saddam Hussein. The implication is clear: either I should hang for my words, or he shouldn't have.

My words stated a lack of sympathy for his daughter, who was denied access to her father in the final moments before he was executed. I stated then, and I believe now, that she should not have been granted the access that she sought, and my total contempt for the piece that was presented, the writer of the piece, and the presenter of the piece, who, it must be noted, presented a copyrighted piece in its entirety without the consent of the publisher.

It is my firm conviction that the actions of Saddam Hussein speak FAR louder than any words I might have to say. And that the actions of those pseudo liberals who defend Hussein speak far louder than THEIR words, for the man that they are defending contradicts in so many ways the values they profess to hold dear. I am using in support of this statement a report prepared by the US Department of State on September 13, 199, BEFORE 9/11, BEFORE George W. Bush took office (those who argue that Bush lied about WMD's might just want to check out this linked report as well; if Bush lied, he did it with a HELL OF A LOT of help from his predecessors...but I digress): http://www.fas.org/news/iraq/2000/02/iraq99.htm

Saddam celebrated his birthday this year by building a resort complex for regime loyalists. Since the Gulf War, Saddam has spent over $2 billion on presidential palaces. Some of these palaces boast gold-plated faucets and man-made lakes and waterfalls, which use pumping equipment that could have been used to address civilian water and sanitation needs.

In July 1999, Forbes Magazine estimated Saddam Hussein's personal wealth at $6 billion, acquired primarily from oil and smuggling. (as pseudo liberals preach about the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer in America, they might want to take this into consideration).

Iraqi authorities routinely practice extrajudicial, summary or arbitrary executions throughout those parts of the country still under regime control. The total number of prisoners believed to have been executed since autumn 1997 exceeds 2,500. This includes hundreds of arbitrary executions in the last months of 1998 at Abu Ghraib and Radwaniyah prisons near Baghdad. (This article fails to mention if any of them were allowed last minute phone calls from their family members)

In the 1970s and 1980s, the Iraqi regime destroyed over 3,000 Kurdish villages. The destruction of Kurdish and Turkomen homes is still going on in Iraqi-controlled areas of northern Iraq, as evidenced the destruction by Iraqi forces of civilian homes in the citadel of Kirkuk (see Photo 3 & 4).

Going Further:

 In northern Iraq, the government is continuing its campaign of forcibly deporting Kurdish and Turkomen families to southern governorates. As a result of these forced deportations, approximately 900,000 citizens are internally displaced throughout Iraq. Local officials in the south have ordered the arrest of any official or citizen who provides employment, food or shelter to newly arriving Kurds.

The scale and severity of Iraqi attacks on Shi'a civilians in the south of Iraq have been increasing steadily. The Human Rights Organization in Iraq (HROI) reports that 1,093 persons were arrested in June 1999 in Basrah alone. Tanks from the Hammourabi Republican Guards Division attacked the towns of Rumaitha and Khudur on June 26, after residents protested the systematic maldistribution of food and medicine to the detriment of the Shi'a. Iraqi troops killed fourteen villagers, arrested more than a hundred more, and destroyed forty homes. On June 29, the Supreme Council for the Islamic Resistance in Iraq reported that 160 homes in the Abul Khaseeb district near Basra were destroyed (see photo 8).

In March 1999, the regime gunned down Grand Ayatollah al Sayyid Mohammad Sadiq al Sadr, the most senior Shi'a religious leader in Iraq. Since 1991, dozens of senior Shi'a clerics and hundreds of their followers have either been murdered or arrested by the authorities,and their whereabouts remain unknown. (Yet when we detain one Muslim at the airport, we're guilty of religious bigotry).

Saddam Hussein's reign of terror was a brutal regime for many who suffered under it. And his children were accomplices in this brutal dictatorship, including the "loving daughter" who is begging for sympathy because she was not allowed to be at his side. When we begin to equate WORDS expressing a lack of sympathy with ACTIONS that kill thousands, if not millions, of people, we negate the impact of those actions and diminish the values of the lives of those that were lost as a consequence of those actions.

Saddam Hussein should be remembered as one of the most brutal madmen of the latter half of the twentieth century, not as a hero, not as a martyr, and not in any way as a sympathetic figure. And my words, while admittedly and unapologetically unsympathetic, should be remembered as just that: words. Words that harmed noone, words that killed noone, words that caused no widespread suffering. Saddam Hussein has thousands of gravestones that bear witness to the impact of his regime on the people who suffered under it. I will save my tears for the families deprived of a father under the brutal reign of this madman, NOT for the daughter of the madman, who served as her father's willing accomplice and acts as his apologist after his death.


Comments
on Jan 08, 2007
HAHAH, the 'liberal' you refer to informed us this morning that he is not a Democrat, but a member of the 'American Patriot Party' which just happens to be about as right-wing as they come.


Oh, there are a few of 'em hanging around, but yeah, that was a pretty damn funny find. Nationally, of course, Peroutka was the Constitution Party's candidate...nice to see Oregon's pathetic little party picked him up as one of their own.

I wonder if my source meets their editorial expectations. I mean, I didn't plagiarize OR copy an entire copyrighted article verbatim without permission, so I'm not sure if I did my homework properly.
on Jan 08, 2007
I was and continue to be against the death penalty, so I can honestly say I didn't consider Saddam's execution to be either moral or just in the first place. But I can understand, to some extent, the mindset that would make a person view the circumstances of his execution as disappointing, ie the view that:

We should be better. The good guys should be better than to jeer at someone's execution and chant the name of one of the good guy's biggest enemies. The good guys should also show favour even to their greatest enemies (ie allow a phone call). Why? Because it's right, and the good guys should do what's right.

The problem is not that people wanted to say you were a monster like unto Saddam in your evil. It's just that in the sad disconnect between our good intentions and the shameful reality of our goodness it's easy to get overcome in the moment. I'm sure that in the next few days you'll get an apology, or at least you should get one if there's any decency in those who attacked you.
on Jan 08, 2007
See, cacto, and that's why I made it clear that these are pseudo liberals. While you and I disagree on a lot of political issues, you are and remain a liberal I will always respect because you at least have a philosophical grounding for what you believe, and you are consistent in your belief. I would not want anyone to think for a second that I am lumping you with people like this.

Ironically, enough, the person who equated me with Hussein had no problem with his execution. She called it "justice", and she took issue with me for stating that it wasn't justice, in my view, but retribution. So it's not a moral problem with his execution we're facing, but with the fact the Iraqi government didn't let his daughter give her last goodbyes.

The problem is not that people wanted to say you were a monster like unto Saddam in your evil.


Actually in the case of this individual, I believe she DID mean it. I gave her several outs, she absolutely refused to take them. I was supposed to shed tears for this daughter (who, by the way, is a wanted criminal herself), and I didn't.
on Jan 08, 2007

Actually in the case of this individual, I believe she DID mean it. I gave her several outs, she absolutely refused to take them. I was supposed to shed tears for this daughter (who, by the way, is a wanted criminal herself), and I didn't.


True, but we all know she has a severe anger management problem. If she feels the same way tomorrow her time then I guess you're right. But I try to give people three chances before I totally write them off, and she's only used two. There's still time.
on Jan 08, 2007
Take some time off of JU and I miss all the fun.  Sorry I missed that one Gideon.  Maybe I can dig it up.
on Jan 08, 2007
She says she closed her thread to comments (but I still see a comment box), so I'll continue my thoughts here.

I never said I was nice. Nope, never claimed to be. And I'd rather be a "wannabe politician" than a pissant armchair quarterback that can't even muster consistency in my thoughts.

Heck, what do I care about her opinion? She has already stated she wants me off the planet for being born with a phallus!
on Jan 08, 2007
Here's what's funny, real funny:

Let it be known here that Gideon MAcLeish politician wannabe would never allow the family of a prisoner about to be executed in the USA to say good bye to the prisoner being executed. He would tarnish the family with the same brush just for being associated with the prisoner or for being of blood - and punish them accordingly. Nice person, very nice.

She wrongly assumes that any politician anywhere in the US has the sole power to make that decision. She stands by her absolutely ridiculous, ill founded opinion, and I stand by my opinions. The fact that she would prefer some mamby pamby politician who will say anything to get her vote over somebody who actually speaks their mind on the issue is a large part of what's wrong with the world.
on Jan 09, 2007
LW has just imploded - hahahah 7 threads - she is flaming me on 7 threads hahahah how sad! implode city! - now i will just sit back and watch the show hahaha!
on Jan 09, 2007
Honestly, the problem is people who plead for the daughter usually swallow a single article without ever really looking into the situation. You don't even have to get into the evils of Hussein. The daughter, herself, is a wanted fugitive hiding in another country, allegedly funding terrorism out of some twisted sense of revenge.

So, if people posed it accurately, the question would be "Should wanted fugitives get a free chance to call family members on death row?" Asked in an accurate way, it's much harder to feel sorry for the daughter. Maybe we should also let her visit, and then turn our backs and give her a hundred count before we start the chase again...

If Jordan wants to give safe harbor to such filth, it only reflects poorly on them. The only reason they are is the Arabic ideals about women and prison and punishment. Iraq doesn't have to sink to that level and offer passage or communication to fugitives.