The journey from there to here
Published on January 6, 2007 By Gideon MacLeish In Blogging

You've seen it many times before: people who act like incredible asshats, and, when confronted with their behaviour, demand they were "only joking" and act as if the target of their venom owes THEM an apology for not laughing along with them.

I've never had much use for such people, and take their defense for what it is: the attempts of angry, venomous people to rationalize their actions by passing incredible nastiness off as some misunderstood joke.

Now, to be sure, there are some people who have a rather acerbic sense of humour. But usually when they make a comment, there's enough wit in their remarks that they are easy to see for what they are...certainly, most people don't get offended by the barbs of comedians, and they can usually understand when a sitcom targets something that hits close to home.

I've raised my children with a certain ethic: if it hurts someone, or hurts their feelings, it is NOT funny. Sure, it's funny to tease, but there's a line you just don't cross. And if you're not a person that can tell where that line is, it is probably best not to go there.

From my perspective, joking also is contingent upon a certain level of familiarity. Jokes around the water cooler, for instance, are funny because these are people who know each other from working together day in and day out. Jokes among family members are also born from a similar level of familiarity. If I were sitting in the Oval Office with the President of the United States, though, there are 1001 jokes that I would NOT tell. And some of them are rather good. Because I don't know the man well enough to make jokes at his expense.

When people pass of general meanness and nastiness as "merely joking", they are in a sense further extending their abusive nature. By demanding that the victim of their joke accept their nastiness as a joke, they effectively deny their victim the right to be angry, no matter how justified their reaction, a demand they have no right to place on the person.

Of course, some times people will honestly be joking and offend. That happens. But usually when that is the case, the offended eventually realizes that the original comment was a joke and sees the humour in it. But there's an entire other class of people that enjoy hurting other people and use the "joking" defense as an attempt to mask an inner meanness and a sadistic nature. And those people don't deserve to be covered by the umbrella of the defense that they are only joking.


Comments
on Jan 06, 2007
go to hell Gid jk

This was a good read and is very true, there are some that do exactly what you say in the article, it is also cowardice when they back off from the confrontation with the weak excuse of I was just joking...if they apologised it would be fine but they do not.

on Jan 06, 2007

I quite agree with you Gid:

Here and here.
on Jan 06, 2007

Very insightful article. 

People that are "just joking"  use other forms of verbal abuse also,  like "even you should understand this.

Good article Gid.

on Jan 06, 2007

yeh good article for one with your limited intelligence and poor writing skills.

 

bahahahahahaha

elie tee hee snicker

on Jan 06, 2007
Reminds me of Albuquerque by Weird Al... something like... a man says he hasn't had a bite in three days...I knew what he meant, but just to be funny, I took a big bite out of his jugular vein, and he's bleeding and screaming, and I'm like, "C'mon, man, can't you take a joke?"

Hillarity ensues.

Anyway, for some reason, our society views people who can't take a joke as inferior, even if it wasn't really a joke. Unless you're joking about a minority, and you're not one. Or a woman.
on Jan 06, 2007
I think I'm with you on this one. I love to tease as much as the rest, but I'm really annoyed when people use the "I'm only joking" to thinly guise their vitriol.

Nice article.
on Jan 06, 2007

I think I'm with you on this one. I love to tease as much as the rest, but I'm really annoyed when people use the "I'm only joking" to thinly guise their vitriol.

Agreed.  When I am being nasty, I do not try to slough it off as "kidding".  I can be very sarcastic, and some do not understand that.  But the sarcasm is not directed at the person, but either at public figures, or the person's ideas.

on Jan 06, 2007
But the sarcasm is not directed at the person, but either at public figures, or the person's ideas.



Doc the ideas come from the person and so is an "extension" of that person; does that not mean you are aiming at them? You ridicule the idea you ridicule the person. It is how the ridiculing is done that makes the difference doc.

You can tear the idea apart without tearing the person apart and making them feel stupid or otherwise.

If it is aimed only at the idea one should say so clearly, or hurt will be caused.


en)BlueDev
January 6, 2007 08:15:51


I read these too and they were also a good read.

on Jan 06, 2007
Doc the ideas come from the person and so is an "extension" of that person; does that not mean you are aiming at them? You ridicule the idea you ridicule the person. It is how the ridiculing is done that makes the difference doc.


If one cannot be separated from their statements of opinion, then I guess they will take it personally. Mores the pity as many do. But then to not be able to ridicule their beliefs is to conceed defeat. So we have to humor the flat earthers. Fine. You do that. I will not. And if you take that personally, so be it. I am not going to stop ridiculing stupidity just because the person cant tell the difference between ridiculing their opinions, and themselves.

Dont like it, make sure you stay out of the kitchen.
on Jan 06, 2007
I am not going to stop ridiculing stupidity just because the person cant tell the difference between ridiculing their opinions, and themselves.


No don't stop - that is not the point, the point is how is is done - sometimes it is done in a manner that it cannot be separated - re- read my comment.

Dont like it, make sure you stay out of the kitchen.


I love the kitchen.