The journey from there to here
Published on November 6, 2006 By Gideon MacLeish In Politics

As the discussion has raged on about what is or is not a Libertarian, I feel it necessary to rehash some Libertarian platform issues. Although no member of the LP is bound in any way to adhere to these platform issues, these issues are pretty much in line with the LP philosophy of smaller government.

Of particular concern to me are the questions that have been raised about Social Security and Universal Health Care. I'll list the party platform position along with my personal comments to follow (the source on these, by the way, is the Libertarian Party website at www.lp.org):

Politicians in Washington are stealing your future.

Every year, they take 12.4% of your income to prop up their failed Social Security system - a system that is heading toward bankruptcy.

If you are an American earning the median income of $31,695 per year, and were given the option of investing that same amount of money in a stock mutual fund, you would retire a millionaire - without winning the lottery or a TV game show.

That million dollars would provide you with a retirement income of over $100,000 per year - about five times what you could expect from Social Security.

Even a very conservative investment strategy would yield three times the benefits promised by Social Security.

Libertarians believe you should be able to opt out of Social Security and invest your money in your own personal retirement account. An account that you own and control - one that politicians can't get their hands on.

Republicans and Democrats say it can't be done - that your Social Security taxes are needed to pay benefits to today's retirees. Instead of letting you invest in your own future, they want you to have faith that someone else will pay your benefits when it comes time for you to retire.

Although most won't admit it publicly, their "solutions" to the Social Security crises all come down to some combination of tax increases and benefit cuts.

Libertarians know that there's a better way.

Countries like Chile, Mexico, Britain, and Australia have successfully made the transition from their failed Social Security systems to healthy systems based on individual retirement accounts. In Chile, over 90% of workers have opted out of the government-run system. It's time America did as well.

The federal government owns assets worth trillions of dollars - assets that it simply doesn't need to perform its Constitutional functions. By selling those assets over time, we can keep the promises that were made to today's retirees, and to those nearing retirement, while freeing the rest of America from a failed Social Security system.

Libertarians will introduce and support legislation to give you that choice, and put you in control of your own retirement future.

Now, one could claim to be a Libertarian and still support the pyramid scheme that is Social Security remaining intact. I could also claim I was a Rhesus monkey, and my existence as a primate would superficially support that claim. But a closer examination would make it unlikely that I was, indeed, a Rhesus Monkey.

Moving on to the issue of health care:

As recently as the 1960s, low-cost health insurance was available to virtually everyone in America - including people with existing medical problems. Doctors made house calls. A hospital stay cost only a few days' pay. Charity hospitals were available to take care of families who could not afford to pay for healthcare.

Since then the federal government has increasingly intervened through Medicare, Medicaid, the HMO Act and tens of thousands of regulations on doctors, hospitals and health-insurance companies.

Today, more than 50 percent of all healthcare dollars are spent by the government.

Health insurance costs are skyrocketing. Government health programs are heading for bankruptcy. Politicians continue to pile on the regulations.

The Libertarian Party knows the only healthcare reforms that will make a real difference are those that are draw on the strength of the free market.

The Libertarian Party will work towards the following:

1. Establish Medical Saving Accounts.

Under this program, you could deposit tax-free money into a Medical Savings Account (MSA). Whenever you need the money to pay medical bills, you will be able to withdraw it. For individuals without an MSA, the Libertarian Party will work to make all healthcare expenditures 100 percent tax deductible.

2. Deregulate the healthcare industry.

We should repeal all government policies that increase health costs and decrease the availability of medical services. For example, every state has laws that mandate coverage of specific disabilities and diseases. These laws reduce consumer choice and increase the cost of health insurance. By making insurance more expensive, mandated benefits increase the number of uninsured American workers.

3. Remove barriers to safe, affordable medicines.

We should replace harmful government agencies like the Food & Drug Administration (FDA) with more agile, free-market alternatives. The mission of the FDA is to protect us from unsafe medicines. In fact, the FDA has driven up healthcare costs and deprived millions of Americans of much-needed treatments. For example, during a 10-year delay in approving Propanolol Propranolol (a heart medication for treating angina and hypertension), approximately 100,000 people died who could have been treated with this lifesaving drug. Bureaucratic roadblocks kill sick Americans

 

Now, I will start by admitting that a position for Universal Healthcare is, at least superficially, a little grayer on this particular platform position. But again, let's scrutinize this, shall we? Item #2 calls for a deregulation, an action that is unlikely to happen if health care is, indeed, made to apply universally. A fiscally conservative government is not in the practice of handing out money without accountability (read: regulation), and a liberal government, well, let's not go there.

The beauty of this country is that free speech allows us to pretty much label ourselves with any label we choose. But just as my self applied label of "pope" doesn't net me any bulk discounts on purchases of Holy Water, so do the self applied labels of "libertarian" apply when so many core principles of the party are contradicted in one's personal political platform. In the individual in question, about the ONLY thing I can find consistent with the LP platform is the push for legal marijuana; in virtually every other area, the mentality of big government overrides.

Again, I'm not a "perfect" Libertarian. But while I may stray from time to time from the "official" party platform, my views generally respect the party ethos. On the issue of abortion, for instance, it's fair to say that there's strong debate within the party; the question of whether abortion is force initiated against the most unprotected minority is asked repeatedly.

(Oh, and...I've got my card, too. Plus a spot on the ballot. So I'm equally credentialled to speak on the subject).


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on Nov 06, 2006
The only way universal health care for kids could ever be possible is if something imposes it, and then oversees that people get equal service no matter how much they are able to pay. I can't imagine how anyone would think this could happen without government control, and if they espouse government control of our health care I can't see how they fit that into Libertarianism.

The same person also said that if I believe that, I have to agree that a foundation of being Republican was being pro-life, and quoted the current party platform. Sadly, he blacklisted me before I could point out that Republicanism, like Libertarianism, has been around a lot longer than the current platform. He doesn't appear to understand the difference between a party and a political philosophy.

Parties serve the will of the public, so they are always going to take sides on issues that their overall political philosophy doesn't address directly. Usually, if we're lucky, they try their best to apply the party's overall, basic political philosophy to that issue. I can see a Republican being pro-choice, since Republicanism isn't really ABOUT reproductive choices. A Libertarian who promotes government sponsored healthcare? Hrm...

on Nov 06, 2006
A Libertarian who promotes government sponsored healthcare? Hrm...


Yeah, I found that highly odd as well. It's just that my mind hasn't been working in sync with my computer access for awhile, so I left it alone.

What really galled me was the repeated use of the adjectives "card carrying", as if owning a card made him any more credentialled than the rest of us (many of whom, I must point out, ALSO carry cards). It's as ridiculous as my stating that my position on the ballot makes me any more credentialled than him to speak on the party as a whole.

I'm reluctant to make such a public deal out of a dispute with a fellow party member, but then, since I am a representative of a decided minority in my political views, if I let his assertions go wholly unchallenged, it sheds what I consider to be a negative light on the party as a whole.
on Nov 06, 2006
Nah, I don't think it is really a dispute at all. If he thinks Libertarianism is x, y, or z it doesn't hurt you. If he draws people to the party who don't need to be there, well, if they can't read the platform for what it is I'm not sure where they really need to be.

If nothing else maybe people who come for the pot will be moved to give all this socialist crap some thought. I've never understood how you keep all those people under your tent, and maybe if a lot are like this guy, it's from sheer gall.
on Nov 06, 2006
That sounded backhanded, didn't it? It wasn't intended that way. You have to admit, though, it is odd to see the drug decriminalization hippy-types standing alongside the UN black helicopter, 'you'll take my gun when...' crowd. I understand they all want the government out of their lives on their pet issues, but it seems to be the rare one that wants the government out totally.

I think you are always going to be doomed by the pro-drug, anti-gun, pro-choice types conflicting with the anti-drug, pro-life, pro-gun types. How many Hunter S. Thompson's can there be?
on Nov 07, 2006

You have to admit, though, it is odd to see the drug decriminalization hippy-types standing alongside the UN black helicopter, 'you'll take my gun when...' crowd

Hence the phrase "Politics makes strange bedfellows"

Good luck today Gideon!

on Nov 07, 2006
aye, good luck, Gid.
on Nov 07, 2006
Gid....after reading so much of what you write (you are one of my favorites to read on here), I was looking into the Libertarian Party. I do not belong to any political party, though I do tend heavily to vote Republican....

When I read what you write, I want to look into it more....but when I read someone else's writings on the party (we all know who I am talking about here), I want to stay FAR away from the party....

I believe you have a good heart, Gid....and good luck!!
on Nov 07, 2006
In the individual in question, about the ONLY thing I can find consistent with the LP platform is the push for legal marijuana; in virtually every other area, the mentality of big government overrides.

gideon, if you want to ask me something or want to talk about me, it is not necessary to refer to me in 3rd person. tht's kind of rude.

1st off, yes, i do support legal marijuana. i make no secret of it. but i have other issues that "fall in line " with libertarian principles. 1st off, my Iraq policy has been consistant with the party, as is my foreign policy stances in general. my rights to privacy (personal privacy) are consistant beyond marijuana. my views towards more local control, smaller goverment, less and farer tax systems all are fairly consistant with libertarian views. then there's gun control, religion in goverment, etc, etc,,,there's more, but i think you get the idea....bottom line, your charachterization that marijuana legalization is the only area i agree with libertarians was simply false and i would appreciate a retraction.

on my post, i contended that i don't support the plans offered by conservatives concerning privatizing social security. and i see you don't either. of course, everyone tried to imply that i "love " social security. my contention is that the system has worked for 60 years, and it does plenty of good. i'm not for just trashing it over some overlying generic "goverment is bad" principle. is it the most efficient system ever imagined? no, bbutit is pretty good and i have seen no private model that can rival it. i am not sold on what some libertarians have proposed, but i am still listening.

also on social security, all anyone ever talks about are retirement benefits. much of what ss entails is not about retirement benefits. More than a third of Social Security beneficiaries are survivors of deceased workers, spouses and children of retired or disabled workers, or disabled themself. For an average wage earner with a spouse and two children, in 2000 the disability coverage provided by Social Security was equivalent to a $353,000 disability policy in the private sector; Social Security's survivorship insurance was equivalent to a $403,000 life insurance policy. Moreover, Social Security's insurance payments are adjusted annually to protect against erosion caused by inflation; private insurance rarely, if ever, protects against inflation. Rate-of-return calculations do not take into account the significant value of that insurance protection.

the other issue that i was attacked on was concerning health care. i do support universal healthcare not from a political perspective, but from a religious one. of course that position could be mocked as "imagine jesus telling the romans to take care of them" nonsense...but that is not what i am saying. i am saying that each of us, as individuals, at least people who would call themselves a christian, owe it to our fellow humans to do whatever we can to ensure that others are not suffering.

now again, this is an area where i would like to trust the private sector, but i have yet to see a plan that works. and i would hope that someday, universal coverage from the government wouldn't be necessary, but as i see it, today, it is. citing what was goin on in the 60's is irrelevant. the genie is out of the bottle and isn't going back in.

at the very least, if people as a whole, don't want universal coverage, i still support, at least in today's climate, universal coverage for our children. there is no reason on this earth, including any pie in the sky political theory or scheme that should prevent us from making sure our children have access to healthcare and good health. and on this issue alone, and yes, that includes ss being excluded, i could care less if it makes me a "bad libertarian" cause my concionce tells me to provide for children, regardless of anything else.

on both of those issues, i was attacked as being anti libertarian. but thatis not the case. my positions on what to do now, in this climate have little to do with how i feel about these and some other libertarian ideas in concept. when someone can show me a plan from the private sector that will protect our children from needlessly suffering from illness or injury without insurance and someone can show me a "socially secure" sysetem that can guarantee benefits not only for retirement, but for disability and other needs as well, i am all ears. but that doesn't make me "anti" anything. it just means that i can seperate theory from reality.

i believe many libertarian ideals are "ahead of the curve" and in some cases WAY ahead. i am proud to be a party member and today did indeed vote libertarian where available (1 candidate on ballot). but where as i see some of their platform as unrealistic and suggest more practical alternatives, i don't think i should be ostracized for it. political parties are all about finding common ground, not dividing factions of the party.

on Nov 07, 2006
"at the very least, if people as a whole, don't want universal coverage, i still support, at least in today's climate, universal coverage for our children. there is no reason on this earth, including any pie in the sky political theory or scheme that should prevent us from making sure our children have access to healthcare and good health. and on this issue alone, and yes, that includes ss being excluded, i could care less if it makes me a "bad libertarian" cause my concionce tells me to provide for children, regardless of anything else."


No, it makes you something other than a libertarian. As I have said previous, I don't think you can tell the difference between a political party and a political philosophy. You may carry a card saying you are in the party, but your philosophy isn't libertarian.
on Nov 07, 2006
No, it makes you something other than a libertarian.


no it doesn't. supporting one thing amongst an entire slate of issues doesn't do that, as much as you want it to.

and I define who i am, not you, not ever.

You may carry a card saying you are in the party, but your philosophy isn't libertarian.


sorry, try again. i have all kinds of exmples of my view reflecting libertarian philosophy. nitpicking one issue does not change that, except in your mind. i have explained why i feel the way i do, if you ignore that, that is not my problem.


my positions on what to do now, in this climate have little to do with how i feel about these and some other libertarian ideas in concept. when someone can show me a plan from the private sector that will protect our children from needlessly suffering from illness or injury without insurance and someone can show me a "socially secure" sysetem that can guarantee benefits not only for retirement, but for disability and other needs as well, i am all ears. but that doesn't make me "anti" anything. it just means that i can seperate theory from reality.

you are trying to skew the 2 seperate things into one. it doesn't work that way. political ideas are guidelines, not a religion. views are views. they are not nececarily permanent and philosophy and practicality are not always related.

legislators and goverment officials many times 'reach across the aisle" and sign on to bills that are against some political philosophy. that doesn't make them unprincipled, it makes them realistic and open minded. i will "trade off" my belief that goverment should be as small as possible for the "guarantee" that every child can have access to good health. do i like another beauracracy? no. but i am willing to give those ideas a try in hopes of building a bettr nation with healthier children. in the meantime, i would like to see "experts" continue to come up with ideas where the goverment will no longer be necessary. but right now, the private sector doesn't prevent people from not having healthcare, and i have yet to see a plan where it does and it actually can work.



on Nov 07, 2006
"no it doesn't. supporting one thing amongst an entire slate of issues doesn't do that, as much as you want it to."


When that one thing is the basic premise of the philosophy, I think you're wrong. You can define you until you are blue in the face, but you can't define Libertarianism.

You can be pro-choice or pro-life and still be Christian, but you'd have a hard time being a Christian if you are an atheist. A Libertarian that believes in government programs is basically equivalent to an atheist Christian.

You're basically saying that Atheism would just be "one issue", and wouldn't disallow someone from being Christian.
on Nov 08, 2006
your analogies are bad baker, we disagree. i am a libertarian and there is nothing you can do or say that will change that.
on Nov 09, 2006
now again, this is an area where i would like to trust the private sector, but i have yet to see a plan that works.


See, this is what I find bizarre, sean. I would never say you're "not a libertarian", but why you would put such faith in the government when you have no such faith in the people is beyond me. Name me ONE program that the government administers more efficiently than the private sector. You won't find it, because the government's not interested in efficiency, Sean. You want health care coverage? Stop taxing the crap out of businesses and start giving them tax INCENTIVES for providing benefits for their employees. It's simple, and far more consistent with the idea of a free market than stealing money out of all of our wallets in the name of "compassion".

You'll find very few Libertarians that don't want to see Americans enjoy a higher standard of living. You'll find even fewer that want to pay for it out of money stolen from their pockets.

We don't need more government programs, we need less government spending plain and simple.

gideon, if you want to ask me something or want to talk about me, it is not necessary to refer to me in 3rd person. tht's kind of rude


Actually, if I call you out by name in the text of my article, I can technically be considered to be violating the Terms of Use, Sean. You should know that by now.

I questioned your stances in light of the party ethos and the party platform. Nothing more, nothing less. You say you're a Libertarian, and I have no choice but to believe you. But I do have the right to question how your platform positions will lead to smaller government.

Another question on the Universal Health Care, if I may...are you willing to support the government when (NOT if!) under your plan, they begin seizing the children of parents who do not comply with receiving Universal Health Care, or who refuse certain services that the government mandates under these programs? These are inevitable ends to a national health care system, sean, you and I both know it, as our government's headed in that direction anyway (google Katie Wernecke for just one such example). And these ends are as anti-Libertarian as you can get.
on Nov 09, 2006
your analogies are bad baker, we disagree. i am a libertarian and there is nothing you can do or say that will change that."


Sure, because you say so. lol...
on Nov 09, 2006
Actually, if I call you out by name in the text of my article, I can technically be considered to be violating the Terms of Use, Sean. You should know that by now.


i thought that was in the title, not the text. i see plenty of people refer to one another in the text.

and on th e"faith in government" thing. my faith is not with them to the degree that i am accused of. it is more a matter of pragmatics than ideology.

Stop taxing the crap out of businesses and start giving them tax INCENTIVES for providing benefits for their employees.


i've seen employees screwed over by "trickle down" schemes too often to put my faith in business when it comes to the health of children. i can trust em to pick up the ball in other areas, but not here, not yet.

Another question on the Universal Health Care, if I may...are you willing to support the government when (NOT if!) under your plan, they begin seizing the children of parents who do not comply with receiving Universal Health Care, or who refuse certain services that the government mandates under these programs?


of course not, i don't want that, and i don't necessarily see it as inevitable. i admit that supporting health care programs, is like dancin with the devil or playing with fire. but again, children are just too important to me to put blind trust into businesses that have failed to provide and favored their own greed in the past.

we will agree on getting goverment out of much of american life, no doubt. but here, i have to stand firm and given the choices offered, remain unchanged. i'm not saying that goverment provided healthcare is perfect or anything close. but it is a more humaine way to treat our citizens, esp those amongst us who really can't help themselves in our adult world and sometimes their parents can't either. i'm siding on human kindness there and begrudgingly volunteering to pay for it instead of trusting the corporate world to fully and adequately provide for them.

again, let me say that i look at this from a practical standpoint, not a political one. if you disagree, fine. that's america. but gideon, i really feel that we should concentrate on our common ground rather than this witch hunt of trying to prove i'm really not on your side by blowing up 1 or 2 issues that i go outside of my political philosophies for answers. politics isn't religion and political theories aren't always pragmatic at all times imho. and i'm not going to use any philosophy, be it a religious, political or otherwise, to rationalize denying a child good health.

but again, there are tons of places we agree that goverment has no place. and ultimately, personal security and health care i would hope to be non govermental at some point as well. we just haven't gotten there as a society yet. the libertarian philosophy can be pragmatically applied to so many other areas in life today, and again, i feel we should concentrate on that.
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