The journey from there to here
Published on September 15, 2006 By Gideon MacLeish In Misc

I've done a lot of thinking on LW's article on "Self Sufficiency, or Abuse?" Not so much on her article itself, but on many of the responses that followed. In the article, LW related a documentary she had seen on "hidden homeless" women, and on the fact that the women chose to raise their children in a van despite knowing they were eligible for various forms of public assistance.

Now, it's no secret I'm frugal. In fact, I've written more on it than anyone else has. But I found a couple of responses rather telling, as it's not hard to read between the lines on a few comments to realize that some of my readers have a problem with why I personally don't receive public aid, despite the perception that I'm eligible for a number of the programs (I'm actually not eligible for a whole lot of them, though many may not realize it).

Now I'm going to digress a bit because I really don't want to write two or three separate articles in response to the single article. So, I hope you'll indulge me for a few.

I was taken aback by the quite direct suggestions that I should accept food stamps and medical care at the taxpayer's expense, so that I could allocate my funds towards a better car, especially in light of recent comments by the individuals in question, which indicate their attitude towards other people who've done the same. In one case, the respondent had several anecdotal tales of people who would buy food with food stamps and then step into a brand new SUV. It is quite possible that those people, of whom the individual spoke critically, could have been doing the exact same thing that they had suggested I do (if you LEASE a vehicle like that, you don't technically OWN it, so it can't be counted against you as an asset). I have to wonder why it is right for me to do what is wrong for these other individuals. In the other case, only a couple days prior, the individual had told the tale of a family receiving government medical care for the birth of their child who had gone out and purchased a $5K diamond for the wife. In this case, too, it is almost certain that the mindset of the family was that they should not spend personal assets on things that the government could provide, so they could enjoy the material trappings of their own earnings without the "burden" of paying the medical care. Both cases are, in my opinion, cases of de facto, if not legally enforcable, fraud, and are one of the reasons our government is in the financial mess that they are in. Now, having detoured long enough, let me get the article back on topic.

The suggestion that any family should possess a definitive amount of material goods to raise their children "properly" or "safely", is essentially, a suggestion that materialism should be mandatory. It is well and good to ask how much is too much on the one end (living out of a van? A tent?), but it is just as important to ask how much is too much on the other end ($5K diamonds? A brand new Hummer?). The fact is, a definition of how much material goods we can and should have is simply not the government's role to create.

Now, we don't need to even look past the headlines to find a story of a family whose push against materialism did come to an extreme. I would point to the case of Rusty and Andrea Yates, where the controlling husband put his family into an impossibly demanding situation, and the wife's mental instability caused the deaths of five innocent children. But the truth is, up until the murder of those five innocents, no crime had been committed, or should have even been charged against the family (extremely foolish judgement is another matter entirely).

But I refuse to believe that I am harming my children if we don't take twice yearly trips to amusement parks, or if they don't eat Oreos more than once or twice a month. In fact, I believe I'm benefitting them even more, because the way we live, Oreos become a treat to anticipate rather than a daily staple. I refuse even to believe that I would be harming them even if I removed the "junk food allotment" entirely from their diet (which I would never do...I'm much too fond of it myself).

I DO believe, though, that the most valuable lesson I can teach my children is the lesson Draginol stated recently: that their personal wealth is tied directly to the amount of wealth they create. That they can have all the material things they want (and entirely without guilt) if they are willing to work for and earn those things. But they should always attempt to live within their means rather than depend on the assistance of others who will eventually grow weary of providing such assistance.

The title suggestion, that materialism should be mandatory, is obviously ludicrous and was said with an extremely high dose of sarcasm. I do not believe we should feel the need to dictate our standards of living to others anymore than we should feel the need to dictate our religious beliefs or sexual preferences to others. And while I realize that the author of the article in question essentially feels the same way, I feel that questioning the decisions of others who choose to live differently, we are effectively opening the door to the government asking those questions...and providing us with answers that reflect the views of the majority. In doing so, we effectively tyrranize the minority, something we should take pains to avoid doing.


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on Sep 15, 2006
But they should always attempt to live within their means


Very wise words Gid.
on Sep 15, 2006
Gideon for President   

I have not read lw's article you referenced, nor am I aware of any of the drama, but I thoroughly enjoyed this article. I think you take quite a down-to-earth and logical stance on this matter.
on Sep 16, 2006

I have no idea who was ranting about a food stamp recipient getting into a brand new car, nor do I want to know.

I thought it was you who had made such a comment, but could very well be mistaken. More likely, it was a comment on one of your older articles. Nonetheless, it was made, and it is a comment I hear frequently. When you suggested I should consider government aid so I could allocate money instead to a vehicle, though, I was more than a little taken aback.

You are far too prickly about your own circumstances, and I feel you often percieve an attack where none was intended.

No, I didn't feel you attacked me, LW. I felt your article asked some very valid questions. But I felt it equally fair to present the other side.

 

And believe it or not, every article which touches on this subject is not a veiled reference to your particular situation, and regardless of your personal feelings about it, some parents DO abuse and neglect their children (as you well know) and sometimes state intervention IS justified, even if that isn't the case with your family.

I realize that, LW, but when your article strayed into asking questions about feeding the kids rice and beans, it did bug me. Because, while that is nowhere near the majority of our diet, it is nonetheless a significant portion of our diet.

And when you made comments about taking the kids to amusement park occasionally, you unwittingly referenced a criticism that WAS made of me in the not too distant past. Not by you, mind you, but you accidentally bumped a "hot button". Not that I mind, LW, you do it all the time, and even when I disagree, I always appreciate the fact that you challenge me. So, there's no offense taken on this end, seriously.

Here's a deal for ya. I'll keep asking questions (on my blog) and you feel free not to answer. But when you volunteer information, don't get all pissy when you are questioned. After all, this is JU, and that is the nature of the beast, is it not?

Now wait a second. I have to put on my "snarky" hat for a moment.

First, we get another blogger complaining that JU is getting boring, now you're asking me not to get pissy? ! "Pissy" is the ESSENCE of JU intrigue.

Seriously, though, LW (I had to re-read to make sure): I didn't actually USE the word "hypocrite" because I don't think you ARE one. I feel you, like many of us, have conflicting feelings on this subject, like so many others (none of us wants government control, for instance, but virtually all of us know circumstances where we wish we could do SOMETHING). And I understand your logic, I really do. It's like the conflicting feelings I had about applying for Pell Grants for school. A friend of mine made the comment "well, if I'm going to pay the taxes anyway, I'd rather someone benefit that I know will actually USE it to better themselves". Ironically, those who are the least likely to abuse a welfare system are actually the least likely to take advantage of it.

I didn't want to post these comments on your blog because I felt if we were going to lock horns over it, I'd rather it be on my thread, LW. I do honestly know that your article wasn't at all about me, but since you echoed criticisms that HAVE been made of me in the past, it struck a chord. Yes, I'm sensitive on this issue, but that is only because I must constantly defend myself against people who have similarly harsh opinions of our lifestyle, but don't have the restraint to mind their own business.

on Sep 17, 2006

So it's ok to question authority, but not each other?

Hahaha, my bad.

I'll concede this point on this blog as well. The closing statement was poorly worded. It does not, however, change my larger point, that we should be very cautious about how we legislate lifestyle choices.

And yes, this applies to the homosexual debate as well. I am not, and never will be, a fan of the move to preemptively ban homosexual marriage. These are areas where I simply do not feel it is the government's duty to police.