You just lobbed a softball.  What state do you currently reside in?  GW is a transplant.  LBJ was texan through and through.

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You just lobbed a softball. What state do you currently reside in? GW is a transplant. LBJ was texan through and through.

I've seen a lot of folks in WISCONSIN and NEVADA do it, as well, but you do have a point as far as Texas libs go.

I want to know why so many OTHERS on the left do the same thing, though.

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I have the same issue with both LBJ and GWB. Both escalated something they could´ve stopped.

Everybody´s just so keen on LBJ for the "Great Societÿ" and all that jazz. That´s my theory.

I want to know why so many OTHERS on the left do the same thing, though.

So do I. I have written 2 blogs and numerous comments on that. And to date, not a single response.

It's not just with LBJ and GWB, there are plenty of other comparisons to be made where liberals are guilty of everything that they charge conservatives with.

The only real answer is that to most liberals, LIBERAL/Democrat = good, conservative/Republican = EVIL incarnate.

As an example, if Hillary Clinton, Teddy Kennedy, Harry Reid and company -- any of the group actually -- proposed using PRIVATE ACCOUNTS and personal choice as a solution for shoring up Social Security it would be the greatest thing ever. GWB proposes it, or any other conservative proposes it, and it's EVIL and designed to destroy the nation's security blanket.

Good question Gid...

LBJ's crimes have been demonstrated over and over, while GWB was merely could have made a few decisions better. Sure, the intel was wrong about the WMD, but the ship in the Gulf of Tonkin was never attacked at all. Either way, If all LBJ ever did with Vietnam was continue JFK's policy of a few hundred Special Ops troops to give South Vietnam a fighting chance, that war would have ended up somewhere between Operation Just Cause (Panama) and Desert Storm in number of pages in the history books.

On the other hand, we had a responsiblity to uphold and enforce the ceasefire of 1991.

So while time has exposed LBJ as nothing but a lying waste of human flesh, we already know that GWB merely made a choice based on (what we later learned to be) bad intel.

But anyway, I think the ONLY difference between those who still like LBJ and those who still like GWB, is based on teh letter after their names.

Why do some of the same people who strongly condemn George W. Bush for his current actions in Iraq give a free pass to LBJ for his role in escalating our troop involvement in Vietnam?

before offering an opinion, i have a question: how many people--no matter what their position on anything else--other than this woman and, possibly, her associates have anything close to a favorable view of lbj's prosecution of the conflict in vietnam? what percentage of this complete set of johnson war fans opposes bush's iraq war?

if there was a national gathering of the latter with each and every one of em in attendance, you think there'd be any need to rent more than 100 chairs?

difficult as it may be to imagine--especially by those who've known nothing but the relatively recent kinda strict partisan regimentation without which it's believed electoral victory is impossible--lbj's war was opposed first, fiercest and almost exclusively by members of his own party.

a small but truly liberal faction of the media also took on the president (believe it or don't, being considered mainstream was a goal for much of the media). all that whining about bush being brutalized by the press would be amusing if it weren't so annoying and overly dramatic. compared to lbj, bush has barely been baby-bashed. no nasty popular songs, no stage companies performing updated shakespearean tragedies in which macbeth's castle became the whitehouse, not even a hint of suggestion dubya mighta engaged in neck-rophelia on airforce 1 following jfk's assassination. all of which came from those considered--and who considered themselves--to be on the president's side of the aisle.

i guess it's possible someone's working to rehabilitate lbj's role as war president but i'd not expect any traction for a long while--if ever.

that's the one area in which lbj and gwb may prove to be most similar. neither of em may stop stinkin...ever.

that's the one area in which lbj and gwb may prove to be most similar. neither of em may stop stinkin...ever.

see, kingbee, we DO have areas of agreement.

before offering an opinion, i have a question: how many people--no matter what their position on anything else--other than this woman and, possibly, her associates have anything close to a favorable view of lbj's prosecution of the conflict in vietnam? what percentage of this complete set of johnson war fans opposes bush's iraq war?

I have heard more than this woman, kingbee. In fact, the majority of hardcore libs I have personally encountered (face to face, not through the internet) have held a similar view of giving a pass to LBJ while condemning Bush. Not all, mind you, but the majority. The only area where this woman strikes me as a strange exception is that she's old enough to remember the Johnson era. Many of the younger set might be excused away by their poor knowledge of history; but if you're going to talk about an administration, it helps to actually know something about the administration.

the majority of hardcore libs I have personally encountered (face to face, not through the internet) have held a similar view of giving a pass to LBJ while condemning Bush

i think i know what's goin on here--thanks to a discussion with my mom earlier today. shes's been livin in corpus christi fulltime for over a decade and during the winters for about 10 additional years. after asking for her take on the race for governor in texas, i asked whether she'd run into anyone who had anything good to say about lbj. she just laffed. when i asked why they'd give lbj a pass, she splained it to me in four short words: former president from texas. she told me she expected bush would eventually achieve the same status.

so i guess we arrived at the right answer for everyone else but texas the long way around.