The journey from there to here

A blogger made a comment on another blog about the conditions in jail, from what they had seen on a movie. From what the blogger has written, I don't think they have much experience in jail.

I have been in jail. Many, many years ago (far more than I care to count), I "did my time", and I have to say that the conditions in jail, even in "the hole" are far better than is deserved by most of the inmates. In fact, the housing that many of the poorer among us have to rent is far less than the standard in jail. And the food in jail, while institutional, is usually adequate.

But should it be? Should we spend so much concerned with the comfort of those who have committed crimes against society? While there are people who are incarcerated because of "consensual crimes", the majority of crimes that mandate a lengthy incarceration are crimes where there is a clear victim and a clear motive to harm. Are we doing a service to ensure that these criminals will not reoffend if we house them in comfort because we're concerned about their physical well being?

Cable TV in jail should be the first casualty. In fact, ALL TV should be nixed. There's plenty of print media for those who needs sports scores and current events information. And it just might enhance the reading skills of those inmates who don't tear up the newspaper for rolling paper.

Kill all windows to the outside world. If an inmate is allowed to be outside, it should only be in a grey walled courtyard, where they can get sunlight, but where they're not allowed to turn in any direction and forget where they are. Remembering where they are just might remind them why they're there.

The food should be the same food, day after day. Give them enough to be healthy, but variety is a privilege many in the Third World don't enjoy, and neither should our prisoners.

Make jail a miserable place. Maybe then people won't want to be there. And they just might rethink their actions to avoid being placed there.


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on Aug 15, 2006
srsly, it is a country club now a days. A country club where you may get butt raped, but a country club none the less.
on Aug 15, 2006
srsly, it is a country club now a days. A country club where you may get butt raped, but a country club none the less.


Sorry, but I have to chuckle at that one. No, jail is NOT a country club. It isn't as miserable as it should be, but even as it is, no reasonable human being would want to spend more time there than necessary.
on Aug 15, 2006
I think eventually in the future you may see jails go high tech in that each inmate is drugged and given rehabilitation via Virtual Reality until they become 'Sane' again. Inmates are 100% isolated from other inmates and do not need to as much space to walk around, all is done via psychotropic drugs and VR.

Now granted this future may be far ahead, but eventually when technology get there and tax payers are sick of paying for more and more jails, who knows...

There was a TV show about this inthe 80's but I can't recall the name...
on Aug 15, 2006
I'm tellin ya, give the death penality for any crime and watch crime drop to almost nothing.
on Aug 15, 2006
Yup, mod...an oppressed society is a polite society.

Hope you don't mind if I shoot yer kid for jaywalking!

But seriously, there IS something to think about! While I am not a death penalty advocate, even I have to admit that if a death sentence were followed by a hanging the next sunrise, serious crimes would drop FAST
on Aug 15, 2006
There are different levels of jail, some really are country clubs man.
on Aug 15, 2006

Reply By: sushiK

The problem with your scenario Sushi, is the ACLU.  They will fight it as being cruel and unusual.

on Aug 15, 2006
I really agree that if jail time or at least the punishment came with serious consequences, i.e., death, or some other life-threatening results, there would be far less crime than there is now. Jail might not be (where I've never been or hope to be) a country club, although it seems to be otherwise, why do so many still commit crimes; a criminal being incarcerated to maximum prison or otherwise do not feel threatened enough and so they will keep repeating the cycle that takes them there.
on Aug 15, 2006
I think the reason inmates get these things is to keep them calm.

My gal pal was a social worker in the Waccen Hut (sp?) prison system in Mississippi. She said lots of the perks are given to keep the prisoners from rioting. Why not hire more guards? Because that company is private and there to make money....so they can't afford to hire one guard for every two-three inmates.

She left when they started discussing make the prison smoke free...that's not why she left..heh. But she said it caused a riot as soon as the inmates found out about the POSSIBILITY.

Riots mean over time, law suits, deaths, stuff like that. I guess the owners figure cable is cheaper.
on Aug 15, 2006
(lw posting on Hubby's account, I only have a minute here...)

LoL at getting rid of the TV. For me, the TV was part of the torture! We had one set for the 12 of us in our 'pod' and it was turned on at 7am (full blast) and not turned off until 10pm, (midnight on weekends.)

Gahhhh! 15 hours of B.E.T. at full volume for three freakin' months. Endless reruns of Sanford and Son, Good Times, Different Strokes, the Jeffersons, and Soullllll Traiiiiin! Oh joy. Oh yay.

And our 'yard' was exactly as you described, Gid. A small cement courtyard with walls high enough that they couldnt been seen over. We got one hour out there, twice a week. We literally had nothing to do. We could only have 2 books in our cells, and those could only be chosen from the jail library cart, full of ancient, torn up crap that nobody would want to read in the first place, and we had no 'entertainment' other than cards, checkers, or chess.

And the tv, of course. The infernal, loud, obnoxious tv.

It sounds good on the surface, to make jails meaner than they currently are, but you must remember one thing. Jails are usually populated by people either awaiting trial (some of them are going to be found not guilty) or people serving short sentences for minor crimes. Any sentence over a year long gets sent to a proper prison, where there are actually things to do to occupy your time with.

If the prisons DONT provide activities for the inmates, they'll devise their own, usually in the form of violence against each other or the staff.
on Aug 15, 2006
The purpose of a jail is to limit (in min-security) or remove (in ultramax) the freedom of the inmates. That is all. Why bother inflicting misery on top of that? You're already launching a direct attack on their soul.
on Aug 15, 2006
Reply By: sushiK

The problem with your scenario Sushi, is the ACLU. They will fight it as being cruel and unusual.


How is it cruel though? I suppose if it was mandatory it could be labeled that, but if they made the program voluntary it would be viable.
on Aug 16, 2006
LoL at getting rid of the TV. For me, the TV was part of the torture! We had one set for the 12 of us in our 'pod' and it was turned on at 7am (full blast) and not turned off until 10pm, (midnight on weekends.)


Yeah, I agree...24 hours a day of BET is enough to drive anyone nuts.

Jails are usually populated by people either awaiting trial (some of them are going to be found not guilty) or people serving short sentences for minor crimes.


Oh, I'm well aware of that, Whip. Gid's prison reform system would include a different tier of jail for those already convicted than for those awaiting trial. If you're awaiting trial, go ahead and have the TV and the cuts of meat that you don't have to chew the gristle for 30 minutes to make tender enough to swallow because you can't cut 'em with those damn plastic knives. But when you're convicted, it should be another story. Even short sentences should have "hard time". The idea should be that decent people never, ever want to go back.

Why bother inflicting misery on top of that?


It's not "inflicting" misery, cacto. Why do criminals deserve a middle class standard of living (which is what they basically receive in today's prisons and jails in America)? You should have enough to get by and that's it.

I think the reason inmates get these things is to keep them calm.


There are other ways to keep them calm...seriously

And trust me, I will vouch for LW's comments about constant BET programming being sheer torture. And believe me, in the jail, that's all you will watch. Turning the channel will get you sent to "the hole" for your own protection.
on Aug 17, 2006
I'm tellin ya, give the death penality for any crime and watch crime drop to almost nothing.


Yeah. The crime rate will drop off proportionately to those that commit crimes.
on Aug 18, 2006
24 hours of BET sounds like my college dorm's common room...
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