The journey from there to here

Dateline 1692: Salem, Massachussetts. 19 men and women are hung for the crime of witchcraft, one man is pressed to death. Hundreds are accused, and dozens are incarcerated without trial. In a chapter of colonial history that most Americans would rather forget, hysteria rules the day and the innocent suffer along with the guilty.

Dateline 1950: Senator Joseph McCarthy of Wisconsin begins looking into the activities of certain Americans alleged to be Communists. Again, hysteria rules the day, and many innocent Americans are brought up on charges of being Communists. There are certainly some among them who are part of an attempt to infiltrate America during the rising tide of the Cold War, but lives are ruined, and reputations are forever damaged in this warped attempt at "justice" that blindly refuses to distinguish between the innocent and the guilty.

Fast forward to 2006, as the Supreme Court, our distinguished leaders, and the international community weigh the fate of the US held detainees at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. Certainly, there are some truly wicked people held in the confines of this prison, some who would very definitely and decidedly do the United States harm if they are released. But it is possible, indeed probable, that there are some in there who are held under perjured testimony and/or the vindictive actions of rival factions of Islam in their home countries. Because the books are closed, we cannot examine, and have no way of sorting the innocent from the guilty.

Many in the conservative camps would have you believe that every one of these detainees is automatically guilty, because the Bush administration says so. Without the benefit of trial, without the benefit of due process, principles that are absolutely central to our Western judicial system. It is entirely possible that we are creating enemies by fomenting hate among captors who may have been zealous without even being terrorists.

By contrast, many in the liberal camps would have you believe that these are "freedom fighters", and they bear little difference from our own founding fathers. But even in the most critical biographies of our founding fathers, you will not find evidence of damage intentionally inflicted on civilians, actions that WERE undertaken by those among the Gitmo detainees that actually ARE guilty. Neither faction, whether those among the conservative or the liberal camps, seems to represent a decisive majority among their political persuasion, however, they are certainly vocal factions, to say the least.

The notion that Bush is entirely incapable of error and above reproach is as fallacious and dangerous as the notion that he is entirely evil and reprehensible in every action. They are both extremist notions that we as Americans would do well to distance ourselves from as we engage in debate about what should be done with these Gitmo detainees. While on the one hand we cannot afford the risk of releasing these detainees pending trial due to the fact that a single terrorist among these detainees could stand to do a heck of a lot of damage, we can neither afford to hide them in secrecy and deny them access to legal counsel. We cannot hold them forever in a legal limbo and in doing so risk violating every tenet of every principle of humanity that we as Americans hold to be dear.

There MUST be a middle ground  somewhere, one that moves these individuals towards an objective determination of their guilt or innocence and yet holds them apart from free society until such can be determined. It is our duty as patriots, as believers in liberty, to find that middle ground and to work towards a final adjudication for these individuals. For such is our witness to a world that has so closely observed our practice of Democracy since the days of de Tocqueville.


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on Jul 06, 2006

The Tribunals were just such a move.  They cannot be tried under our laws as they were never subject to them.  The Tribunals (done right) would have given them a day in court subject to the laws of International warfare.  Which is more than some deserve, but less than others do.

There must be a middle ground.  But finding it is the nut in the field of stones.

on Jul 06, 2006
Gid, I consider myself somewhat conservative and I most certainly don't accept everything stated by any administration at face value, but....

I have to raise the fairly simplistic question of where were the people that have been detained first captured, and how and under what circumstances?

A vast majority of them were caught on the battlefield, or were caught raising arms against us and/or our allies.

Would I like them to face justice? Yes. Am I willing to release them at this time -- hell no. And there is no way in hell that I want to see these vermin or their representative mouthpieces clogging up the court systems, using legal loopholes in our own laws against us.

As Dr. Guy mentions above, the tribunals were a middle ground. Not good enough, according to the left, and according to the lawyers that gamed the system and got the decision that they aren't constitutional. I'm still trying to figure out how my constitution applies to my enemies, considering that they wouldn't hesitate to trample my rights if I had been in their country, or caught by them in the war on the terror.

I hope congress does something soon, and personally I hope that 98% of the Gitmo crowd is shipped off to a permanent home breaking rocks. My only real disappointment is that they can't take a ton of lawyers with them.
on Jul 07, 2006
I have to raise the fairly simplistic question of where were the people that have been detained first captured, and how and under what circumstances?


Excellent question...but the administration seems pretty firm in its insistence that even asking those kinds of questions is somehow treasonous!

A vast majority of them were caught on the battlefield, or were caught raising arms against us and/or our allies.


Actually, the Bush administration's position on the Gitmo detainees is that they are NOT POW's, as your statement would imply. If they were caught on the battlefield, or raising arms against us and/or our allies, they are not necessarily terrorists, terp. While I wouldn't go as far as the left in demanding they are "freedom fighters", that's one determination that a trial of some sort should make: sorting out those who were merely defending their homeland from those who are a genuine threat.

As Dr. Guy mentions above, the tribunals were a middle ground. Not good enough, according to the left, and according to the lawyers that gamed the system and got the decision that they aren't constitutional. I'm still trying to figure out how my constitution applies to my enemies, considering that they wouldn't hesitate to trample my rights if I had been in their country, or caught by them in the war on the terror.


I'm going to split them up, because there are two issues I have with these comments. As to the Constitution not applying to them, you are right, terp. HOWEVER, the principles of their individual rights DO apply to them, as we live in a government where our founding fathers clearly felt, and expressed that they were "inalienable", and that we are "endowed by their Creator" with these rights. This endowment doesn't know national borders, terp, and, while it would be folly to extend the full rights of US citizens to these detainees, it would be proper to extend to them basic human rights.

As to your premise "well they wouldn't respect my rights if I were captured there", terp, I simply have to say, come on. I know you're bigger than that. The fact is, terp, we ARE better than these terrorist countries, and Americans are FAR better than these terrorists. The fact that there's even a DEBATE on this issue proves it definitively. My position was (and is) that by treating them with an undeserved grace (a principle with which every Christian should be able to identify), we are showing them the superiority of our system. Would I like to put troughs inside a room cemented in on all sides with heavily reinforced concrete and house these people till they rot? Yes I would, terp. But I must constantly remind myself that I am better than these animals, and my actions should bear that out.
on Jul 07, 2006
As Dr. Guy mentions above, the tribunals were a middle ground.


Tribunals are for Prisoners of War. Because the Bush Administration refuses to recognize these people as prisoners of war, they shouldn't apply. The administration is insisting on having its cake and eating it too by applying the standard of military justice to these detainees as if they were POW's without granting them the same rights and protections of same.
on Jul 08, 2006
The tribunals may not be acceptable to the courts as in the Councilman verdict the SC stated that tribunals are only for US military personnel. I agree with you a solution has to be found and cannot help wondering how the Americans are agonising over this decision when in some parts of the world the issue would be settled by "making then escape".You know what I mean.