The journey from there to here

First and foremost, I must say that I am relieved Zarqawi is dead. His death stands to throw the terrorist organization into chaos at least briefly, and may help us to catch terrorists. But morally I cannot celebrate it.

It's not even tied to my opposition to the death penalty. You will get no question from me that our government has the legal, and, indeed, moral authority to execute this slime. The murders and terror he committed are not in dispute, and his punishment was just and swift.

The reason I cannot celebrate Zarqawi's death is, in part, the same reason our military cannot celebrate it. Because Zarqawi, while a key strategic target, was just one part of the horrible, unthinkable mentality that teaches that the murder of innocents to achieve a political or religious objective is justified. While Zarqawi is gone, thousands of other militant terrorists stand at the ready to continue in the cause, a cause in which they will almost certainly invoke the name of their fallen leader at least once.

Zarqawi, in other words, was not the disease; he was a symptom. And the eradication of symptoms, while offering temporary benefits, is a small victory as long as the disease remains.


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on Jun 10, 2006
A chicken cannot be compared to a human being, for the simple reason "free will" determines the humanity of one and not the other. You can kill and eat your chicken, but the death of a huamn being must be a moment of reflection, even if you dislike that person/ideology. Did not someone say;Even the death of one diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind, therefore send not for whom the bell Tolls. It tolls for thee! Zarqawi might be an evil man, full of hate and violence and he met an end he deserved. There are other killers at large.
on Jun 10, 2006
And Bender said:

"Oh, cruel fate, to be thusly boned. Ask not for whom the bone bones; it bones for thee. "


That's the episode where Bender is lost in space and becomes the god of the teeny people who get stuck to him, and then really meets God. An interesting crossreference given this discussion. The overall theme is "If you do things right, no one will ever know you did anything at all."

The fact is there is really no difference between the killing of a chicken and the killing of Zarqawi. Both are human necessities for life. If life should be celebrated, then its necessities should be celebrated, thus Zarqawi's death should be celebrated.

Just my 2 cents. IMHO, God did something to Zarqawi "just right", and we don't know that anything was done at all.
on Jun 10, 2006
A chicken cannot be compared to a human being, for the simple reason "free will" determines the humanity of one and not the other. You can kill and eat your chicken, but the death of a huamn being must be a moment of reflection, even if you dislike that person/ideology. Did not someone say;Even the death of one diminishes me, for I am involved in mankind, therefore send not for whom the bell Tolls. It tolls for thee! Zarqawi might be an evil man, full of hate and violence and he met an end he deserved. There are other killers at large.


Bahu,

You hold your faith, and you are true to it. I hold mine and am true to it. I do not, and will not, believe that the death of evil individuals like Zarqawi diminishes me; in fact, it makes me stronger because of the countless innocents that have been liberated because of the death of the man that would be their murderer. Zarqawi's death, in my mind, was an unquestionable good because he was a vessel of pure, unadulterated evil. While I will not celebrate it, I will certainly not condemn it. It was something that had to be done, and we did it.

That's the episode where Bender is lost in space and becomes the god of the teeny people who get stuck to him, and then really meets God. An interesting crossreference given this discussion. The overall theme is "If you do things right, no one will ever know you did anything at all."

The fact is there is really no difference between the killing of a chicken and the killing of Zarqawi. Both are human necessities for life. If life should be celebrated, then its necessities should be celebrated, thus Zarqawi's death should be celebrated.

Just my 2 cents. IMHO, God did something to Zarqawi "just right", and we don't know that anything was done at all.


I LOVE that episode, Baker. Good reference.

Our difference is obviously a philosophical one, not a fundamental one. We can certainly agree that Zarqawi's death was ultimately for the betterment of humanity.

By the way, the knowledge that our soldiers offered Zarqawi medical care makes me proud. It is proof that we truly are a great nation when we try to save the lives of our enemies, even those who would readily have us killed, when the temptation to end his life with an extra bullet through his head had to have passed through the minds of more than one of the soldiers.
on Jun 13, 2006
The fact is there is really no difference between the killing of a chicken and the killing of Zarqawi. Both are human necessities for life


I do not want to dispute BakerStreet on this one as my opinion, for what it is worth is known: But I would like to point out two aspects. First, the lead to track Zarkawi came from the Iraqis and their handtlers in the Jordanian network who were on the track of Zarqawi since the Hotel bombings. In fact the IOraqi Resistance wanted to get rid of Zarqawi because his kind of violence was just too much for the Iraqis to bear. Having tracked him down, the mole was asked to fit a tracking device which sent the coordinates to the command post in Bagdad which then had him killed. That Zarqawi was eil I do not think is under dispute: THe car bombs of Zarqawi and the cluster bombs of Bush ensure that there will be mayhem in Iraq. Fortunately one has gone. Second, the fear of sectarian violence has somewhat receded due to the killing. The USA at long last has become one more player in the chess boarsd of Iraqi politics.
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