The journey from there to here

As I've watched the debate rage on about the movie (and book) "the Da Vinci Code", I have noticed an interesting pattern. Most (not necessarily all) of the individuals I see arguing most passionately that the movie is "no big deal" and saying that somehow there's something wrong with Christians who oppose it are the same people who argued that the Danish newspapers shouldn't have printed the infamously offensive cartoons of the prophet Mohammed. While the cartoons were no more based in fact than Dan Brown's work, the argument was made that the cartoons represented a form of cultural insensitivity towards Muslims.

So let me get this straight: slandering Christianity = A-OK; slandering Islam is a horrible offense?

Now don't get me wrong. I don't take Dan Brown seriously, nor, in fact, do most people I know. But I am wholly offended by those who would insist that Christians should just shrug their shoulders at what many consider heresy, while holding an entirely different standard for practitioners of another faith. The fact is, even among the most radical Christians, the outrage doesn't even BEGIN to approach what we see when similar attacks on Islam take place (remember "the Satanic Verses"?). We're not rioting, we're not (for the most part) picketing, and, while many churches have used the book as a springboard to a teaching opportunity to those who would ask questions, we're not even that outraged. I know many Christians who have read the book and consider it good fiction, even if they aren't appreciative of the historical revisionism that is being presented as fact in numerous documentaries surrounding the book and the movie.

To say that "the Da Vinci Code" doesn't have an agenda is wholly misleading. But it is an agenda that Dan Brown, Ron Howard, Tom Hanks, and anybody else should have the freedom to advance, as long as they do so honestly and not under the shroud of deception that surrounds this movie. But as much as they have the right to advance their agenda, Christians have a right to be outraged. I think it's silly, frankly, as to me it would be the equivalent of getting upset about Dr. Seuss, it is nonetheless a legitimate bone of contention. And the supporters of Dan Brown's work of FICTION would do well not to mock those who would be offended.


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on May 20, 2006
You can't reason with such people. It's quite futile. There is not a reasonable bone in their body. All they care about is doing what "feels" right. It feels right to attack Christianity 'cause Christianity is the dominant religion in the US and televangelists are quite irritating. Meanwhile, Muslims are seen as the underdog. Even the ones who kill innocent people in the name of Allah.
on May 20, 2006

I had not noticed that pattern, but would have if I followed it closely.  You are right.  And their name is the NY Times (et. al)

nevertheless, I doubt that Tom Hanks or Ron Howard have anything but $$$ in front of them.  It is clear that Dan Brown does have an agenda, but like all mickey moore wannabees, his work falls flat.  Some will like it, some will hate it.  And some just wont give a damn.  I am the latter.

on May 20, 2006
I completely agree with little-whip on something. Surely this is a sign of the apocalypse!

Good comment LW.

on May 21, 2006
I dunno, Gid. I can't say as I've identified the same pattern. I have no problem with either the cartoons or Brown's book/movie and, if anything, I think most who had no problem with the cartoons have no problem with the flick. I certainly don't condemn anyone for not going to a freekin movie.

However, I can't respect the opinion of someone (not speaking of you here) who condemns a film or book while refusing to see/read it because of what other people have said or written about it or because of fear of being offended. I just don't understand it - if one's faith isn't strong enough to withstand the expression of any differing points of view, fictional points of view no less, than what the..., whether Christian or Muslim. Such non-homicidal zealotry is better only in degree as compared with the Muslim reaction to the cartoons. (That's one thing I like about Buddhism, BTW - Buddhists don't seem to get caught up in that "Don't you dare offend me" shit.)

No interest in the book/movie based on the subject matter? Fine, that's cool - don't read, don't go. But that should be the end of it.
on May 21, 2006
I don't really give a shit to be honest
on May 21, 2006
Personally, I could see people being upset about the book/movie if it were being presented as "fact" slandering their religion. It's a work of fiction, and if the movie is anything like the book, not a very good one at that.

Kinda the same with the cartoons mentioned. Get a life already, or at least a bit of a sense of humor.

I've noticed some of the hypocritical attitudes mentioned and all I can say is these folks should get a life too.
on May 21, 2006
And choosing to be ignorant is the highest form of Stupidity.
on May 21, 2006
Oh, and Bro Jeez -

We kinda figured that.
on May 22, 2006
This is the most fucking reasonable thing I have read on the subject so far. I would just like to comment though that the difference between the Da Vinci Code and those cartoons is that in Islam no one has ever been allowed to depict Allah, so it's not that their faith was being mocked, it's that for 2000 years or whatever they had this unbreakable law and then some dutch dickhead broke it. and those cartoons weren't even interesting or funny. Also, you forget that Muslims feel like the west in general is leading amoral lives so that they are bound to be more offended than is reasonable by 'us' mocking 'them'.

Also, let's be honest, Cristianity needs a good shaking up. It's a couple millenia old, and in that time it must have been bastardised a lot (especially considering most of it's followers couldn't read the bible as it was in Latin for a large part of that time), so it is quite likely that it has been changed or edited. Sticking your head in the sand and saying "NO IT MUST BE TRUE, FOR I BELIEVE" is no response, but it's the only one we'll ever get.

I entirely forget my point. So in conclusion, I agree with Mason M. The book kinda sucked (as much as it was a page turner) so the film probably does too.
on May 22, 2006
However, I can't respect the opinion of someone (not speaking of you here) who condemns a film or book while refusing to see/read it because of what other people have said or written about it or because of fear of being offended.


I euqally can't respect the opinion of those who would demand we see it when we have absolutely no interest, in the spirit of being "open minded". I don't need to see it to know my feelings on the work as it stands.
on May 22, 2006
Try making a joke about a woman. Make it a black woman at that.

Now, make a similar joke about a white male.

Which one got you slapped, and which one got you laughs?

I'm not saying it's right. In fact, I am agreeing with you. I may not see the problem with Da Vinci Code, and I refused to go to church the day they were bad-mouthing it, but I do see your point.
on May 22, 2006
But don't these very same people (the ones who are so upset) present the Bible as fact? And isn't that just as offensive to atheists, muslims, or any other non-Christian religion?


Not quite the same thing, although I get your point. The book/film in question can hardly be considered religious text. It's the very nature of religion whether Christian, Muslim, or Green Spotted Space Frog worship to hold one's religious texts to be true and factual. Christians holding the Holy Bible to be fact is no different than Muslims holding the Qu'ran to be fact. All religions hold their texts to be fact.
on May 22, 2006
I euqally can't respect the opinion of those who would demand we see it when we have absolutely no interest, in the spirit of being "open minded". I don't need to see it to know my feelings on the work as it stands.


You had me agreeing completely until sentence #2, Gid. What's the basis of those "feelings on the work as it stands," though?

I'm not going to see Brokeback Mountain, no matter how many awards it wins.


You haven't missed anything, LW. My wife & I both thought the acting was moronic and high-school level at best. Our flabbers were gasted, as they say, given the critical praise it had received, and we found it just plain boring. I sure hope the book was better.
on May 23, 2006
You had me agreeing completely until sentence #2, Gid. What's the basis of those "feelings on the work as it stands," though?


Knowing, as a historian, the credibility of those "facts" Dan Brown claims are accurate historically. I could go on a lengthy diatribe about them, and would do so, if, indeed, I had all the time in the world to blog. But if you REALLY want to know some of the shams Dan Brown is presenting as "fact" in various interviews, documentaries, etc., it's easy enough to find.
on May 23, 2006
Of course they do, but that doesn't MAKE them factual, and therein lies the irony.

True, but it doesn't automatically make them false either.


They insist on the factual accuracy of a book that cannot be proven factual, (requiring a degree of 'faith' to believe) yet get upset when an admitted work of fiction challenges those 'facts.'

I find their reactions a bit stupid myself. But then, I find most religious, political, and assorted other special interest lobbyists' reactions tend to run toward stupid at a high rate of speed.
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