The journey from there to here

Barry Bonds is on the tail end of a career that will quite likely see him enshrined in the Hall of Fame. While Bonds is a great athlete, he became so with the help of steroids, and passed many people who worked hard to get up the homerun list without chemical enhancement. While there are a number of fans who feel Bonds should not be in the Hall, the number of fans who are cheering him on to the record regardless seem to be shouting louder.

Kavvya Viswanathan, a Harvard undergraduate, is a newly discovered plagiarist. Though she protests her book wasn't intentionally plagiarized, there are significant lifts from a number of sources that have been found in her published material. Because she is a discovered plagiarist, this should cast doubt in the minds of anyone in the academic community about the originality of her work in high school, work that composed part of the portfolio that would have been used for her consideration to this prestigious institute of higher learning. While there are a few voices stating that she should be expelled from Harvard, the voices arguing against it are FAR more pervasive, in one case to compare her expulsion from an institution of higher learning that VOLUNTARILY enrolled her with the incarceration behind bars for life of a convicted felon (believe me, I've been behind bars...being kicked out of ONE college doesn't compare).

All of this causes me to wonder: why am I teaching my children not to cheat? As our standards of right and wrong begin to deteriorate, it would seem to m that if I am raising up honest kids to compete as adults in a world where others are NOT honest, I am not fairly equipping them for the world. If my children submit honest resumes to an HR department with an inbox full of those who are falsified and who feel they will simply apologize AFTER the fact, what chance do they have? Sure, they'll have the knowledge that they are being principled by being honest, but principle, for all its value, doesn't pay the rent.

We need to be concerned about those who would take shortcuts to success. While we may feel a need to pity them, if we reward them for cheating, we are sending the wrong message to those who try hard not to cheat. Rules, as they say, are rules, but we are living in a society that increasingly believes rules, like records, were meant to be broken.

To answer my own question, I am teaching my children not to cheat because it's a standard I believe in and try to follow. I am finding it increasingly likely, thought, that they will be strongly tempted to reject those values as they grow older and see the successes of those who do not. I think we need to take a long hard look at cheaters and refuse to honor them as our nation's best and brightest. Because if we don't take a hard stance against them, what are we telling those who would follow behind?


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on May 07, 2006
To answer my own question, I am teaching my children not to cheat because it's a standard I believe in and try to follow. I am finding it increasingly likely, thought, that they will be strongly tempted to reject those values as they grow older and see the successes of those who do not. I think we need to take a long hard look at cheaters and refuse to honor them as our nation's best and brightest. Because if we don't take a hard stance against them, what are we telling those who would follow behind?


I think you've hit it on the head, Gid. And keep doing what you're doing - I'm incredibly grateful for my parents, who would teach me right from wrong - not to cheat - rather than take the easy (and dishonest) road.

My grandfather - one of my greatest examples - always said, "If you're going to do a job, do it right". A little trite, yes, but it's shown itself to be true time and time again.
on May 07, 2006
Hey, "Do your own thing" right? "Who are we to judge?"

Cheating is cool.. it's the person exposing the cheat that broke the rules... right?

I'm sure I would have been a much better parachute rigger and paramedic if I had cheated through the schools... and I bet I would have been "one of the cool ones" too ;~D
on May 07, 2006
Do we really want to condemn and destroy a career of this 19 year old? She made a mistake, and SHOULD PAY! but, the young are just that, her future work will be scrutinized to death and she deserves that. But if we cannot excuse a small matter from what is in essence a child what does that say about us?
on May 07, 2006
What a wonderful article.

Here's another question: Do you want to work for a company/organization that would simply "slap" an employee on the wrist for falsifying their resume? Doesn't that cast a shadow upon their integrity when it comes down to how they treat their employees?

My husband and I are trying very hard to raise a very honest child, and so far (9 years) we've succeeded and we hope desperately that she will still hear our voices when she is at those crossroads where she must make the decision to take the road "less traveled". I know that when she's older, she'll get tired of hearing us saying the same on diatribes on honesty, integrity and being true to oneself.. but she'll still be hearing them..
on May 07, 2006
If I plaguerized in school, I failed that class. If I had knowingly been caught plaguerizing in college.. I would have been kicked out. Did she get into the school on scholarship? If so, was that "tweaked"?

I think Gideon makes an excellent point about doubt being cast on ALL her work from before. Shame if it's her first time plaguerizing.. deserved if it's not.
on May 07, 2006
Hey, "Do your own thing" right? "Who are we to judge?"

Cheating is cool.. it's the person exposing the cheat that broke the rules... right?


Only in liberal land Parated2k, only in liberal land.

In the rest of the world, cheaters are scum and whistleblowers are cheered for exposing the truth, though it would help if someone wasn't cheating to get the info to do the exposing with to begin with. (Darned catch-22 for that one, ain't it??)
on May 07, 2006
MM
Do we really want to condemn and destroy a career of this 19 year old? She made a mistake, and SHOULD PAY! but, the young are just that, her future work will be scrutinized to death and she deserves that. But if we cannot excuse a small matter from what is in essence a child what does that say about us?


This is the attitude that allows us to see people cheating and not only allowing it, but excusing it. Should this incident be the end of her life? NO. Should it be the end of her writing career. Probably.
on May 07, 2006
I have a feeling this is not her first time at this. Almost on anything we do, we don't get caught the first time right? It's only after getting away with something repeatedly that we eventually get caught.

I don't know how many times I said to my sons, "Just because everybody else is doing it doesn't mean you have to." and "A good name is much more valuable than anything money can buy."

Basically if you don't pay now, you pay later. It's inevitable.
on May 07, 2006
#8 by ParaTed2k
Sunday, May 07, 2006


Should it be the end of her writing career. Probably.


not if her future work is ORIGINAL and she can proove it.

Lets face it I am willing to give second chances because NO ONE GAVE ME ONE! I had to take my second chance by force { do not ask as I will not tell}
on May 07, 2006
6 by little-whip
Sunday, May 07, 2006


But if we cannot excuse a small matter from what is in essence a child what does that say about us?


A 500k advance for plagiarized work is not a small matter, ModMan. It's grand theft.


she returned the advance, I am not saying she should get away clean, she just should not be destroyed.
on May 07, 2006
Morals are mankind's creation, and for the most part we are basically animals. Of course you have to tell kids to not to cheat.

Think of it this way, we have minds that look for tools. That's how we got where we are. We didn't get to where we are in the world by avoiding things that make it easier for us, we are creatures that excel because we FIND things that make it easier for us.

So after 100,000 years of taking people's land and natural resources, cracking heads, exploiting our fellow man, now we have this artificial environment where we are pretending that the natural order is to NOT cheat. We are ants, floating on a tiny leaf of morality, in a big old river of abuse. Ask yourself why MORE of us don't cheat...
on May 07, 2006
MM
not if her future work is ORIGINAL and she can proove it.

Lets face it I am willing to give second chances because NO ONE GAVE ME ONE! I had to take my second chance by force { do not ask as I will not tell}


Ok, if it was you who had to tell the world that her next projects were original. It was your name backing her up, and you would be held responsible for it... would you stand behind your "give her a second chance at writing" attitude?
on May 08, 2006

The ban on Steriods in Baseball is a recent innovation.  For the longest time, Baseball was immune from the scandal because they did not specifically ban it.  Now they do.  But it does beg the question, who was using them before it was banned?  I am not excusing Bonds, as his is clearly a case of post ban.  But it does beg the question of who was using it before, and no one questioned it.

on May 08, 2006
Reply By: ModeratemanPosted: Sunday, May 07, 2006Do we really want to condemn and destroy a career of this 19 year old? She made a mistake, and SHOULD PAY! but, the young are just that, her future work will be scrutinized to death and she deserves that. But if we cannot excuse a small matter from what is in essence a child what does that say about us?


Well said Elie, and I totally agree with you. She's already paying for the cheating, the embarrassment, and of course whatever fines and restrictions they can put on her and the scrutinizing of her work. However, banning her from school makes no sense and would be ridiculous!



A 500k advance for plagiarized work is not a small matter, ModMan. It's grand theft.


This was given before they found out about her plagiarizing. They should demand the money back.


Remember there are professors at that very university and other universities who have done the same thing and nothing have come of it. Why should she be the one to made an example of? I don't condone or agree with what she did. It is WRONG!

However, she's 19, made a stupid mistake and is now paying the price for that mistake. That is a lesson learned, not being able to 'hold her head up' among her peers, her future work possibly in jeopardy, it's going to be a daunting task for her to get back her reputation or to have some type of reputation. However, banning her from completing her education would be wrong. If anything, her being there, and knowing what she did is never to be forgotten will add to the chatising she's already getting.
I have a feeling this is not her first time at this. Almost on anything we do, we don't get caught the first time right? It's only after getting away with something repeatedly that we eventually get caught.


You're probably right. This is why all that she's done in the past is being scrutinized right now. In the blog I wrote about this and the links I provided, that much was stated.


Reply By: BakerStreetPosted: Sunday, May 07, 2006Morals are mankind's creation, and for the most part we are basically animals. Of course you have to tell kids to not to cheat.Think of it this way, we have minds that look for tools. That's how we got where we are. We didn't get to where we are in the world by avoiding things that make it easier for us, we are creatures that excel because we FIND things that make it easier for us.So after 100,000 years of taking people's land and natural resources, cracking heads, exploiting our fellow man, now we have this artificial environment where we are pretending that the natural order is to NOT cheat. We are ants, floating on a tiny leaf of morality, in a big old river of abuse. Ask yourself why MORE of us don't cheat...


Great points Baker!


Many more of us don't do it because of the guilt (we're too honest) and we're afraid of getting caught. You guys probably don't remember a blog I did last year about my older daughter's teacher asking saying the very same thing. We won't do it, cheat because we're afraid of getting caught; because of our guilt complex, due to some of us being honest. However, if you could get away with it, would you do it?


And Gid, you will continue to teach your children not to cheat because of the integrity you have and which you want them to follow.
on May 08, 2006

Do we really want to condemn and destroy a career of this 19 year old? She made a mistake, and SHOULD PAY! but, the young are just that, her future work will be scrutinized to death and she deserves that. But if we cannot excuse a small matter from what is in essence a child what does that say about us?

Mod,

She can't have a career by going to a state university? I'll be sure to remind my kids that the state universities are inferior when that's all we can afford!

My point is, THIS IS HARVARD! Harvard maintains VERY high standards for admission. I have known many people through the years who have not quite made the cut for Harvard...and it galls me, frankly, to think there's even a possibility they missed the cut because of a cheater. This young lady has NOT paid a price yet...losing a book deal is a NATURAL CONSEQUENCE...you can't publish someone else's work as your own. She SHOULD be expelled from Harvard because her entire academic career at this point is suspect.

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