The journey from there to here
Published on May 7, 2006 By Gideon MacLeish In Current Events

As events seem to heighten with Islamis terrorists throughout the world, it would seem that the doomsayers would have cause for their predictions. After all, islamofascist violence is on the upswing, and we don't hear enough of the sane voices of Islam speaking out against these individuals.

As negative as things might seem, though, I believe that Islam is going through a growth process that is as common to religion as it is painful. They are going through a reformation, and a battle between the hardline fundamentalists and the younger Islamic sects with more progressive thought.

Islam has about a 1400 year history as an organized religion. If we look at the history of Judaism, at this point in their history, they were pretty much butchering anyone who got between them and posession of their Holy Land. Likewise, Christianity went through the Inquisition and the Crusades, a bloody time in the history of Christianity that most present day Christians would rather forget. Islam, I believe, is going through that painful transition, and unfortunately doing it during a time when the culture of much of the world not only clashes with the values of fundamentalist Islam, but does so in a way that INVOLVES them. While the reformation era Christians could pretty much cloister themselves in sheltered communities, and the Jews could keep to themselves within their own communities, it is becoming an increasingly rare luxury for the Islamist who wants to preserve his values. Globalization, for all the good it brings in bringing better nutrition, communication, education, information, and health care to the remote corners of the earth, is also bringing different moral standards, popular entertainment, clothing, and magazines with it, fueling the curiousity and rebellious natures of those who would press for change. The old guard, standing on the wall, feel as though they are fighting for the very heart and souls of their youth. And that is one reason why so many are willing to take this fight to the death.

Judaism survived these conflicts to become a strong religion, with practitioners holding a wide variety of philosophical views. Christianity did the same. And it is quite possible Islam will do the same. What is different about Islam, however, is that, while the other religions' conflicts came about in the time of the spear and the sword, Islam's is coming about in the time of the biological and chemical weapon. Their ability to kill in greater numbers is what is making their conflict stand out. Let's hope they go through this reformation before they inflict much more damage.


Comments
on May 07, 2006
While I agree in principal {being a blood thirsty Jew and all} heh.

I must say this is not the century to allow this kind of raadical behavior, When My people were butchering others it was all about warfare with swords and spears, with the christians it was a little more destructive, germ warfare of a kind {throwing dead bodies infected with plauge over the walls of an enemy} catapults that threw flame and such. etc. now it's about what you mentioned, A-bombs, chemical warfare, and the worse IMO germ warfare with mutated diseases.

No sane country and america is far from "sane" can allow that kind of destruction. All the war liberal wenies would be screaming for blood if this country was nuked or their family was murdered by Germ warfare, {after they blamed Bush of course}
on May 07, 2006
One major problem for any would-be Islamic 'protestants' is that all Muslims have to believe that the Qur'an is the literal and infallible word of God. In some parts of the world the only 'education' available to the poor is to learn to recite this book faultlessly from memory.

In Christianity the believe in 'biblical inerrancy' is an opinion. It is true that all Christian Fundamentalists hold this opinion, but there are enough sincere Christians who don't to make it a matter of controversy and therefore of legitimate disagreement. So far, that does not exist in the Muslim world.

My own (controversial) theory is that the modern day fundamentalist reading of the Christian Bible as inerrant and literally true in every word and detail, (as opposed to reading it as a great repository of revelation, history, wisdom, symbol, parable and myth that earlier Christians would have been content with) is an unconscious borrowing from Islam.

In the end I'm afraid I can only come up with an 'imperialist' solution to the problem. As I see no sign at all that the necessary new ideas are emerging naturally form the Muslim world, they can probably only realistically come from us - which in itself will be a cause of great resentment and resistance. I hope however that the help we can give to those struggling within the Muslim world to bring it out of the dark ages will be one of benign influence (soft power) rather than endless military adventurism.
on May 07, 2006
As I see no sign at all that the necessary new ideas are emerging naturally form the Muslim world, they can probably only realistically come from us - which in itself will be a cause of great resentment and resistance. I hope however that the help we can give to those struggling within the Muslim world to bring it out of the dark ages will be one of benign influence (soft power) rather than endless military adventurism.


If you look outside the Middle East the signs of a renaissance are there. If anything I would say it's politics and oil that keep the Middle East as Wahhabi as it is. You need only look towards the non-Arab Muslim states to see Muslim countries that are overperforming for their GDP in most of the key democracy and civil rights measures.

Take Indonesia for example - sure there is a definite push these days for a hardline movement, but it's happening at a time when western concepts of human rights are being merged with traditional values to create a new kind of Islam. I find it fascinating but I guess you could call it a little frightening, especially when you consider the backlash it's attracting from the increasingly marginalised conservatives. Gid's got a point, and it's one I've mentioned on JU before - Islam has been undergoing its reformation for at least the last 50 years or so. It's got a way to go yet, but it's only a matter of time.
on May 08, 2006
This is interesting, especially what you say about Indonesia - the tiny bit that I know about that nation seeming to suggest that what you say is at least partly true. However, I'm not quite as sanguine about the non-Arab Muslim states in general. These include Pakistan with its honour killings and shar'iah law (including the death penalty which is still imposed for 'apostasy').

A more revealing example has to be Turkey, which is a relatively modern, relatively secular nation inhabiting an area stretching from the borders of the EU to the borders of Syria. However, Turkey's secular modernism was largely a result of deliberately rejecting its middle eastern heritage and embracing western ideas under Atatürk, which tends to support my 'imperialist' thesis.
on May 08, 2006
However, I'm not quite as sanguine about the non-Arab Muslim states in general. These include Pakistan with its honour killings and shar'iah law (including the death penalty which is still imposed for 'apostasy').


True. But the level of respect for human rights (at least according to measures like Polity IV) is higher than it should be in those nations, at least when compared to countries of similar GDP per person. The Middle East is different because oil wealth and strategic rents allow corrupt regimes to maintain stability at the cost of personal freedoms and development.

A more revealing example has to be Turkey, which is a relatively modern, relatively secular nation inhabiting an area stretching from the borders of the EU to the borders of Syria. However, Turkey's secular modernism was largely a result of deliberately rejecting its middle eastern heritage and embracing western ideas under Atatürk, which tends to support my 'imperialist' thesis.


Turkey is a special case though - it's always stood halfway between east and west. Ataturk was a westernising force, but Turkey headed towards western models in the early 1800s when the first European-style embassies were opened in the major capitals of the Mediterannean. He was merely the personal representation of western modernity in Turkey, and the driving force behind the movement there. It's debatable that his successors have shared the same views, despite their attempts to join the EU.
on May 08, 2006
The premise of your article is a bit flawed.  This is not a new thing in Islam.  They have been doing it almost since its inception.  Part of the Inquisition was a response to that early barbarism.  And I am sure you have heard of the Balkan wars of the middle ages.  Plus Mohammed himself did not create the religion through peaceful means but through conquest.  The other religions you cite were brought about peacefully and then had their violent episodes, only to revert to a religion of peace.  So far, Islam has not shown that tendency.  The only reason there was a respite, and it was not really a respite, just a localization, was due to their inablity to export their violence.
on May 08, 2006
Dr.,

It would be easy to argue that Judaism had the same bloody history all the way up to its own reformation, or of a few centuries of Christian rule. I will, however, acknowledge that my parallel is not perfect, but I still believe that if we can survive this current push for the heart and soul of Islam, we may see a more peaceful Islam emerge. Certainly, most westernized Muslims seem to have assimilated into a more peaceful lifestyle, and I believe it is possible for their Middle Eastern counterparts.
on May 08, 2006
#4 by Chakgogka
Monday, May 08, 2006


embracing western ideas under Atatürk,


Mustapha kamal, or kamal ataturk how ever you choose to adress him, was a great man, as a first generation american from mom and dad emigrating from Turkey {legally I might add}I really admire what he did with Turkey to drag them into the 20th century.
on May 08, 2006
Reinstate the Caliphate!!!!

Politically recognize it just as the Vatican, then let them hash out ( as in Hashimites ) the age old Sunni / Shii divisions ( gotta find that hidden imam )

Now, go back to the trend of separation of Church and State ala Attaturk...it's gonna require the reintroduction of religious and political assasination for the greater good ( Ali was their first victim and then Saladin)

But, if we get them killing off the radicals instead of the moderates ( or at least each other, regardless of affiliation) we'll be left with the "casual Muslim" who wants the best of the East and West ( Allah willing....)

Perhaps then, we could attempt to help the Arabs implement the Peace Accords that originally destabilized the area after WWI.....maybe even the Mandates reccomended by the US ( which is what we're attempting in Iraq presently, with better success glimmering in Afganistan....)

Just a quick thought on the subject....
on May 08, 2006
Reinstate the Caliphate!!!!

Politically recognize it just as the Vatican, then let them hash out ( as in Hashimites ) the age old Sunni / Shii divisions ( gotta find that hidden imam )

Now, go back to the trend of separation of Church and State ala Attaturk...it's gonna require the reintroduction of religious and political assasination for the greater good ( Ali was their first victim and then Saladin)

But, if we get them killing off the radicals instead of the moderates ( or at least each other, regardless of affiliation) we'll be left with the "casual Muslim" who wants the best of the East and West ( Allah willing....)

Perhaps then, we could attempt to help the Arabs implement the Peace Accords that originally destabilized the area after WWI.....maybe even the Mandates reccomended by the US ( which is what we're attempting in Iraq presently, with better success glimmering in Afganistan....)

Just a quick thought on the subject....
on May 08, 2006
I will, however, acknowledge that my parallel is not perfect, but I still believe that if we can survive this current push for the heart and soul of Islam, we may see a more peaceful Islam emerge.


I should not have said flawed, but perhaps a bit simplistic. But yes, that is all our hopes. And that it emerges soon enough.

But another difference. Christianity and Judiasm did their deeds from a position of strength, when they ruled. Islam had its ruling period, and this is not it. This is more a lash out of impotence than a tyranny of the despotic. Another difference.