Yeah, I don't know why any self-respecting homosexual would want to have anything to do with your killer god at all. 

I really like Takei.  But not in this case.  But I saw it happening.  California is already trying to force Catholic Hospitals to perform abortions.  Talk about killers.

It is one thing to ask us to respect the rights of homosexuals to exist, to live and work freely amongst us without fear. That is a humanitarian request, plain and simple. It is quite another thing to ask us to discard the very foundation of our faith in favor of liberal interpretations of scripture that have no historical basis in fact in the faith of the Christian church.

I agree. I think that, while I can accept people as having different belief systems than I do, that doesn't mean that I have to change my doctrine to please them. It does me no harm to believe the way that I do, and I afford the same priveledge to them.
This would be as if a christian group went to a hindu university to try and force them to accept Jesus as their lord and saviour. Doesn't fly in my book, no matter how you cut it. It's a private school, any complaints can be shoved in your ear.

Yes, things will be MUCH better if the homosexuals HIDE the fact that they are homosexual in order to gain admission to the university. Being a liar is far superior to being a homosexual, no?

Bottom line, they're going to get in anyway. It isn't as if you can eradicate the faults (sins) of all people entering such a university, so why should homosexuality (taken as a sin by said places and for argument here) be the sole brand that keeps one out? People that covet get in. People that take the lords name in vain get in. People that commit adultery get in. People that bear false witness get in. In fact, for this latter, some people are FORCED to bear false witness to get in.

Of course people don't tend to fear bearing false witness. And they only fear adultery if it's their possession - I mean their spouse - that might be committing it OR if they fear getting caught themselves. And they rarely fear coveting, either - as is indicated by the continual need of other's approval of their belief anytime someone suggests their religion might be more full of holes than a swiss cheese - the genuine value of their faith is evident in every story like this one, and sorry Gid, but in every blog like this one, too.

It's just my opinion, but I hold it strongly, that these "doctrines" that everyone holds so high, which many seem quite willing to have at the expense of their other doctrines of "forgiveness" and "compassion," aren't rooted in faith, but in fear.

The way I understand good and evil, this is just like your 'Satan' would want it. But then you'd have to work out the math yourselves to see how hoodwinked you've become. Powers of evil, whether they be archetypes like Satan or real people, don't always extort their power by dividing and conquering. They often do it by unifying and controlling. So do you support control in this situation? Think about what that means to the religion you're defending the doctrine of.

Sorry for double post, please delete this one.

*laughs at ockhamsrazor*

Maybe you should direct your ire toward whoever is making openly gay kids go to an assemblies of god sponsered school. This is facetious bullshit, and you know it. It's like me demanding to be admitted into the Miss Black American pageant just out of spite. I'm betting there isn't a soul on GT's bus that would be caught dead with a sheepskin from any of those schools on their wall.

Oh come now Baker, don't be so hard on yourself. I'm sure you'd be a lovely black Miss America.

an attempt to force those universities to change their admissions policies regarding homosexuals

to discuss the issues of faith and gay rights with the administrators of these colleges.

So which one is it? Forcing (private) universities that offer a faith-based ethos to change their admission policies is wrong (providing that they're not getting a penny of state funding), but wanting to discuss issues of faith and gay rights sounds reasonable to me.

The majority of Christians, even the conservatives amongst us, accept the presence of homosexuals among us, even if we don't accept the practice.

Frankly, unless you want to start stoking the ovens, you don't have a lot of choice in the matter.

It is quite another thing to ask us to discard the very foundation of our faith in favor of liberal interpretations of scripture that have no historical basis in fact in the faith of the Christian church.

Liberal christians would disagree, but I'll let you slug that out amongst yourselves.

With palms together, Just a question, unless people ask for change in policy, how does it happen? Be Well.

forcing private institutions to accept o0penly gay members= good

forcing openly gay people to ABIDE BY COMMON PRACTICES=BAD

Liberal christians would disagree, but I'll let you slug that out amongst yourselves.

lol. Thanks. I'll save my comments on liberal Christians for another thread, then...

Frankly, unless you want to start stoking the ovens, you don't have a lot of choice in the matter.

Well, yes, and no. What I'm talking about when I say "accepting" that they are a part of our society is the fact that most conservative Christians have abandoned the out and out persecution that used to be more common.

So which one is it? Forcing (private) universities that offer a faith-based ethos to change their admission policies is wrong (providing that they're not getting a penny of state funding), but wanting to discuss issues of faith and gay rights sounds reasonable to me.

The liberal idea of "discussing" IS an attempt to force others to change their policies. It's what has made Jesse Jackson the world's most prolific extortionist. He never goes in to "force" anyone to change their policies, only to "discuss" them...and then walks away with a wad of cash.

 

With palms together, Just a question, unless people ask for change in policy, how does it happen? Be Well.

Unless you want to erase a good portion of the bible (yes, even the NT), there's not going to BE such a policy change. We have as much right to our faith as you have to yours.

Yeah, I don't know why any self-respecting homosexual would want to have anything to do with your killer god at all.

Sometimes you amuse me, myrr. You make me want to go out and buy me a liberal antitheist parrot.

 

 

 

 

So a Gay Christian can not go to a Christian School.

That is as bad as saying a Black student can not go to a white school.
Where does it even say "NO HOMO'S" in the bible? But then again the whole book is open for any interpretation. But seriously where does it say this? Is it one of the ten commandments? "Thou shall not allow allow gay coeds to school with thine offspring..."

This is why Christianity is falling apart.
I think it is time for a rewrite.

So a Gay Christian can not go to a Christian School. That is as bad as saying a Black student can not go to a white school. Where does it even say "NO HOMO'S" in the bible? But then again the whole book is open for any interpretation. But seriously where does it say this? Is it one of the ten commandments? "Though shall not allow allow gay coeds to school with your offspring..." This is why Christianity is falling apart. I think it is time for a rewrite.

No, this is not a civil rights issue, sushi.

While I disagree with their theology, there ARE Christian denominations that allow homosexuality. The Assemblies of God is not one of them. Both those that do and those that don't will stand before their Maker and give account for what they did/did not do. To force a college affiliated with a church that does not condone homosexuality to accept openly homosexual students is in open defiance with the First Amendment.

Your suggested "rewrite" is in itself a denial of the first amendment, for what you are saying is that ONLY religions that conform to YOUR standards should be granted protection under the First Amendment. Shameful, sushi, especially as you rail on the President for what you perceive to be violations of the Constitution.

If a PRIVATE organization does not want to include a certain group, they should not be forced to, by you or anyone else.

Oh, and, for the record, Christianity is NOT falling apart, sushi. It is still an integral part of my life, as well as that of many of my friends.