The journey from there to here

I actually like George Clooney as an actor. Even though I haven't seen the movie "Good Night and Good Luck", I appreciate Clooney's bringing the compelling story to the big screen. While I have NO desire to see "Syriana", I can respect Clooney's asking hard questions about current events, even if I wholly disagree with his conclusions.

What I CAN'T accept is Clooney's condescension towards the American public. He appreciates being "out of touch", and rightly points out that Hattie McDaniel's Oscar came at a time when segregation was still the norm in America. By doing so, he makes the obvious implication that current leftist agendas are morally comparable, and that those of us who do not agree are backwards, unenlightened, and/or morally inferior. We are, in other words, too stupid to think for ourselves.

In a year that saw a larger ticket sale drop than anytime in the last 25 years (1980 being the year of "Xanadu" and "The Blue Lagoon"), it is interesting that Hollywood activists would choose such a self destructive career path. While it is not improper to ask that we as a society allow others to live their lives as they choose, it is wholly unacceptable to repeatedly attempt to indocrinate us into the belief that such lifestyle choices are moral, decent, or normal. And yet producers continue to do just that on a regular basis by implicitly stating that we are too stupid to make such decisions without their assistance/input.

George Clooney may not be a spokesperson for all of Hollywood. But if Hollywood doesn't want their image cast by the likes of Clooney, I would suggest that a roll of duct tape over his mouth might be in order. But I'm guessing by the applause and acclaim that he perpetually receives, Hollywood DOES want him as their spokesman. And I'm further guessing that such decisions will further affect their box office intake.

Industry analysts will point to the home theater system as the reason for the decline in movie attendance. And it might well be a part of it. But I suggest that a larger part is a viewing public who is sick of the continual insults to their intelligence.


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on Mar 07, 2006
Funny how most of them appear to be democrats.


Yeah, it's funny in the same way that most Republicans look to douchebags like DeLay and Cunningham as role models.

We were having a reasonable discussion about Hollywood. Leave it to you to bring partisan politics into it.
on Mar 07, 2006
There's nothing "Christian" about LOTR. Tolkien expressly denied it, and the legends and languages he went to for inspiration were solidly pagan in nature. He even denied it being about WW2, as well.

That's the beauty in true art. It is universal and you can see anything you like in it, and apply it different ways. Heavy handed drek only slices one way, and does it poorly, usually.
on Mar 07, 2006
I don't have time to read all the responses today so if you repeat, forgive please.

All actors should read this.....Link


It is EXACTLY why they should never open their mouths about politics....they will be put on the list!
on Mar 07, 2006
We all use the platform that we are afforded to talk about the things that we find important. I mean, even at this modest level we all do it. Gideon's doing it, I'm doing it, you are doing it.


That's the problem though. You and I and Gid aren't afforded the wide reaching platform they are. We aren't smooth, beautiful people who are accustomed to pretending to be something we're not (well, at least I'm not). Besides, we are debating on here. Clooney and his ilk aren't open to debate. They just spew away and plenty of their fans will eat up whatever they say. Heck, the ladies on the view said that he could stand up there and pick his nose and they would marvel at what a great nose picker he is because he is so suave.

Hey, I'm not arguing their right to do. I am just saying they risk turning off some fans. They risk having people like me who actually like their acting but have lost the inclination to put anymore money in their pockets or add to their box office draw power.

I didn't bother watching the Oscars because of that very sort of thing and because I don't happen to be gah-gah over celebrities. They are just people who do what they do well. I am equally astounded by my doctor and the lady who designed and created my drapes. They are just people who do their job really well. Plus, neither of them ever have tried to spew politics at me.
on Mar 07, 2006
"But I suggest that a larger part is a viewing public who is sick of the continual insults to their intelligence."

Then why were complete garbage movies such as "MR & Mrs Smith" so popular? That surely is an insult to anyone's intelligence, yet lots of people went to see it. It just proves that stupidity _is_ a common state of being, not just in America but everywhere.
on Mar 07, 2006
I am equally astounded by my doctor and the lady who designed and created my drapes. They are just people who do their job really well. Plus, neither of them ever have tried to spew politics at me.

Maybe they should! Their expertise in medical care and drapery construction (respectively) should give them fresh, bold insight into politics and social issues!
on Mar 07, 2006
There's nothing "Christian" about LOTR. Tolkien expressly denied it, and the legends and languages he went to for inspiration were solidly pagan in nature. He even denied it being about WW2, as well.

Baker, dear... didn't I already say that I was wrong? What do you want from me, blood?
on Mar 07, 2006
Personally, I think that anyone who is influenced by the statements of any actor is in fact stupid.

Oh dear God, let's not start in on Ronnie...


For the same reason I don't intend to see the Turkish film "Valley of the Wolves". If people want to make propaganda, fine, so be it. But I don't intend to watch it. - Gideon

Why and how is it propaganda Gideon?

You don't have to reply unless you've got actual substance behind that opinion.

I'm surprised.
on Mar 07, 2006
Why and how is it propaganda Gideon?


I'm not Gideon, but...

You're kidding, right?
on Mar 08, 2006
You're kidding, right? - Texas Wahine

Nope. Got some insight for me?
on Mar 08, 2006
From the official website:

In the story based on facts, Suleyman Aslan is one of those eleven soldiers. As first lieutenant, Suleyman, can’t reconcile being insulted and surrendering with his honor. Therefore, he commits suicide and leaves a letter behind.



The letter is addressed to Polat Alemdar… Polat Alemdar is a very specially trained Turkish intelligence agent. He has attended several missions in the country and abroad for a secret agency working for the state… Because of his last mission, he has no contact with the secret agency… Living by his missions, Polat Alemdar can’t ignore the will of his friend who committed suicide for the sake of his duty.

He is in Northern Iraq with his men now. To die for, if needed…



They found a different situation than they expected in Northern Iraq. They were after the man who insulted the Turkish soldiers but they couldn’t believe their eyes when they saw the situation there. The people of Iraq’s values, personalities and history were completely being disregarded. The desired new order was forcing an unacceptable change on the people… The one who is responsible for these unendurable crimes against humanity is a special forces commander called Sam William Marshall and who was also responsible for the hood event.



In order to carry out his plan, Sam W. Marshall raids the Arabian wedding where everyone from the region comes together. He kills tens of people. All are civilians. Leila, the bride of the wedding, loses her future groom in the killings. Apart from the people who were murdered there, also a lot of people are declared terrorists and arrested.



Destiny shall intersect the paths of Polat and Leyla later fort he sake of the objective that both had ventured to die for…

Sam William Marshall is now being chased by all of his sins, Polat and Leyla…

You will not forget the movie “Valley of the Wolves – Iraq” adorned with incredible action scenes and heartbreaking stories of humanity…


Read this.

Here's a
quote about the content of the movie (forgive the source, it was a fluke that I ended up watching Carlson Tucker that night, haha):

And the character that‘s played by Billy Zane is known as Sam Marshall, and as in Uncle Sam. And he‘s supposed to be a Special Forces commander who somehow is commanding Marines who go in and they rape women at a wedding. They shoot a bunch of children.

This movie is being sold as "based on fact". Scary. What kind of American would participate in film full of lies that endanger our service men as well as Americans in general?
on Mar 08, 2006
That's what I thought.

I'm talking about 'Syriana' not 'Valley of the Wolves'.

So I understand why you say what you do, Wahine, but I don't understand Gideon's opine.

Anyone else here see Syriana or know something about the film to prove it's space in the ranks of timeless propaganda?

I would take up the argument "Is Valley of the Wolves Propaganda?" if I cared to do so, but since I don't I'll just throw out a bone and say that propaganda isn't made on the bet that one will simply cover budget costs in the hopes of providing more 'amusement for the masses'.

You know what probably comes much closer to 'propaganda' is a government paying a 'free press' to release favorable news reports for it's pet projects. Let's focus on the real contenders - or not - if it doesn't suit our political agendae.

on Mar 08, 2006
Oh, God, you don't see the lurid propaganda value of a movie about skeery oil companies piddling in Middle Eastern politics now, of all times? Or a movie like "Good Night and Good Luck" being foisted on us during the whole debate about the patriot act by the very actors and producers who are politically outspoken?

You just think it is a coincidence? I kind of doubt it.

As an aside, I found this article by someone who came away from the Oscars with a totally opposite reaction, saying that they didn't have the guts to be "ground-breaking" enough to give the best picture to brokeback mountain. Funny how people can watch the same show and see two different things.
on Mar 08, 2006

We were having a reasonable discussion about Hollywood. Leave it to you to bring partisan politics into it.

I made an observation, you brought the douchebags into it.  If making an observation of facts is bringing politics into a dialogue, then I guess I do that a lot.  You should try it more often.

on Mar 08, 2006

Personally, I think that anyone who is influenced by the statements of any actor is in fact stupid.

Oh dear God, let's not start in on Ronnie...

Now THAT was a great comeback!

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