The journey from there to here

I have often made the quite legitimate accusation against certain foreign bloggers that there are dynamics of our American society that they don't understand, and that they write in ignorance of some of those dynamics. Now I have to plead guilty to doing that myself.

You see, in the recent uproar over the cartoons published in a Danish newspaper, I applied AMERICAN constitutional standards to my opinion, not those of Europe, or specifically the Danes.

While my assessment of the situation would have been correct had the cartoons been published first inthis country, in light of their country of origin, it was, quite frankly, not correct. As Larry Kuperman pointed out in another thread, cartoons that offend other religious groups ARE banned in Denmark, and the standard HAS been applied to cartoons against Jews and Christians.

This brings us to the point often expressed by another blogger: if you don't like a law, change it. As long as it is on the books, though, enforce it, and enforce it equally.

I believe the Danish laws against publishing materials offensive to different religions is wrong. But this is a Danish issue, and it is up to Danes to decide for themselves what standard they prefer. As long as it is a right of the government to restrict the publication of materials such as this that they deem offensive, then the law must be obeyed. 


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on Feb 12, 2006
The other day on another blog I made such a point about laws, and was informed that people like Martin Luthor King Jr. broke laws, and sometimes it is necessary to make your ideological statement when the law in unjust.

The main problem is after all these touchy-feely, sensitivity-at-gunpoint laws were passed, filmmaker Theo van Gogh was assassinated. Well, that changed things. People got really angry and they realized they had an entrenched segment of their population adhering to radical Islam, and which was prepared to impose their values with violence.

Well, official changes were made. Including:

  • Stripping Dutch nationality of bi-national citizens if ‘involved in terrorism’
  • ‘Glorifying acts of terrorism’ to be a criminal offence
  • Closing mosques and persecuting imams for being ‘too radical’
  • Loyalty tests for Muslims; ‘choosing between Qur’an and constitution’
  • Persons suspected of extremism (‘member of’, ‘ties with’) can be excluded from certain types of job, education and even be forbidden access to certain areas, without judicial oversight or right of appeal. They may also be given the duty to report regularly at a police station
  • Punishing parents if their children prove to be extremists (by withdrawing rent subsidy, etc.)
  • Those stating their desire for a terrorist action (which is not the same as planning), even if they change their minds at a later stage, will be punishable. Glorifying acts of terrorism is now an offence.
  • Right wing maverick Wilders argued in favor of building a special prison for those convicted of terrorist actions (widely dubbed the ‘Dutch Guantanamo’
  • €400 million extra for the secret service spread over five years (the 2004 budget was 86,5 million €)
  • Secret service to take on 600 new personnel (in 2004, about 1.000 worked for the AIVD)


This is what Kupe doesn't talk about. I agree it doesn't jive with their other Stewart Smalley laws, and those should have been repealed once they saw the heinous mistake they were. The fact remains, though, that Denmark has a serious problem that has to be addressed directly, and those laws you mention prevent direct action on the parties in question.

As you can see, these new policies go way off in the other direction, being punitively harsh on Muslims, and making it even more of a police state. That's the problem with people who feel you can legislate away your social problems. They end up being tyrants micro-managing the day-to-day thoughts, feelings, and beliefs of their people.
on Feb 12, 2006
While it may have been against Danish law, and indeed that law should be changed, the simple fact is that it was done and to cave now would be a capitulation to the radical muslims.  They set the bar on this.  And gave no room for negotiation.
on Feb 12, 2006
I have not heard of such a law in Denmark. But I have heard from many Danes that there have no such laws.
on Feb 12, 2006
Larry Kuperman cited the laws in question specifically, quoting them. I can't seem to find where they are at, since there are so many blogs about this junk. If anyone else remembers where he posted it, chime in. According to what he posted, if an official saw these cartoons as insults toward the religion ITSELF, and not just a statement on some people within it, some of them would be illegal.

They have the religious 'insult' laws, but if you note my post above, they have a ton of conflicting laws stifling religious expression and further hampering rights as well. Like I said, that's the problem with people who feel they can pass laws and change people's attitudes and feelings by force. They just become a self-destructive police state.
on Feb 12, 2006
"Section 266b of the Danish Penal Code prohibits expressions that threaten, deride or degrade on the grounds of race, colour, national or ethnic origin, belief or sexual orientation. Link"


The law is there, heinous infringement of freedom of expression though it is.