The journey from there to here

In light of the recent steroid ban, writers who have long looked for an excuse to keep Rafael Palmeiro out of the Hall of Fame have found it. But does their argument have a solid foundation?

Let's say for a second that it does. I'll follow up with the question: based on WHAT? Rules violations? I bet noone's arguing for Kenny Rogers' omission after his infamous altercation. And George Brett, of pine tar infamy, hasn't been denied his rightful place among baseball's immortals. If you look at the plaques in Cooperstown, you'll find them replete with players who have served suspensions for some sort of rules violation or another in their career. As for Palmeiro's likely use prior to this season, we have to realize, it would have come at a time when steroids were not technically banned by baseball. In fact, I am among those who believed they were pushed by owners talking out both sides of their mouths who desperately needed homeruns to save baseball from a lost World Series. But that's the conspiracy theorist in me talking, with a few footnotes from Canseco's book thrown in to boot.

So, then, do we throw him in based on morals? That would be especially ironic so soon following the enshrinement of Wade Boggs (remember Margo Adams? Anyone?). I could also name drop Steve Garvey and any number of baseball's lushes, including, but not limited to legends such as Ty Cobb and Babe Ruth.

Baseball has always had a notorious double standard. Nine people throughout baseball's history remain virtual pariah's, while the aforementioned Cobb was accused of gambling and K.M. Landis looked the other way. Juan Marichal's been denied his proper place due to his involvement in the Roseboro incident, while players with much longer and more sordid histories have had their hands stamped at the first opportunity. And Rafe has become baseball's latest sacrificial lamb, while others with equally suspicious pasts will get a free pass.

Rafe may not ever make it to Cooperstown, but he will always be in mine. And he will add a third reason (along with Charlie Hustle and Shoeless Joe) while I will avoid baseball's sacred shrine until the writers who select the players get off their high horses and end their double standards.


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on Aug 03, 2005

I have always said that I hate the politics of the HOF.  I hate Pete rose (ever since he spiked Bud Harrelson), but I also firmly believe he should be in the HOF.  Along with Joe Jackson.

The Hall of fame is for what they did on the field, not off of it.  Period.

on Aug 03, 2005
Dr. Guy put it quite clearly. Palmerio is an excellent ball player, and as pointed out what he has done on the field of play is more important then the charge.

Beside if we can put Darrell Strawberry in the HOF why not Palmerio. (Not sure if Strawberry will ever make it in.)

Do we say to "Big Mac"," Mr. Bonds", or "Slamming Sammy" that all those home runs mean nothing; sorry, but "NO".

Aren't we all looking for an edge???????????????

Lee
on Aug 03, 2005
Lee,

Very good points. And, as Jose Canseco rightfully points out in his book, if anything, the rampant use of steroids in baseball dispells a lot of myths. First, the health risks of steroids used properly (not abused): all of the infamous baseball players are in great shape. Second, the myth that these drugs don't really improve performance. If 70 plus taters in a season isn't an improvement, I don't know what is.

The simple truth is, baseball's owners and commissioners brought about this current trend by pushing their players towards higher homerun production. For goodness' sake, when did we start expecting SHORTSTOPS to pop out 30 dingers a year? If Ozzie Smith were a rookie today, he'd likely be sitting the bench behind some error prone converted third sacker.
on Aug 03, 2005
Am I thinking of the wrong guy? I was thinking Palmeiro was the one who told Congress he didn't use steroids and then tested positive. To me, lying to a congressional committee seems to be something less than 'apple pie', by a long shot.

This is friggin baseball; this is our national sport. I'm not saying these guys need to be saints, but damn. Steroids aren't an "off the field" issue. How is it fair to pass over people for the HoF who followed the rules, and pick people who juiced up to get there?

The whole gambling thing I understand your point, unless of course it is found that the bets effected how they played. At least in those cases nothing was at work making the player have an edge. Steroids, though, I can't see allowing anyone in that used them.

To me, your point about shortstops in the last post doesn't excuse steroid use, it just shows the problem that causes it. Neither attitude should be validated. Baseball is a joke, and this kind of accepting attitude towards steroids just makes it more so.
on Aug 03, 2005
Yes, Baker, Palmeiro is one and the same. I am still among those who question the legitimate authority of Congress' actions, but that's a side issue.

The problem is that baseball writers consistently employ a double standard. I'd be willing to take bets that Palmeiro is forever shunned by the Hall, while McGwire gets a first ballot pass. And there IS an inherent hypocrisy when baseball writers who have shown such a love for the long ball show such a smug self righteousness when they discover what it took for many of the players to get there.

As one who loves the game, NOT the long ball, I guess I'm a little bitter at all of the worthy, high average, low power hitters who have been overlooked by the hall in favor of sluggers...and now the same writers turn their noses up at the same type of player they helped create.
on Aug 03, 2005
Well, though, at least they are picking the right people to turn their noses up at, right? I'm all for a backlash against the juiced-up, millions-per-season glamour boys. They are a joke, and people who cheer for them are unpaid shills, imho.

We can't pay teachers, but we can pay these guys millions a year. I'm always gonna giggle in delight when I see something that didn't mean sh*t get treated like it didn't mean sh*t. Fair, not fair, meh. The whole process is a joke, so it is hard to spoil it.
on Aug 03, 2005
First let me start by saying that I am no fan of having steroids in any sport. Be it our national sport or some grade D sport shown by Fox Sports, or any of the ESPN networks at 3 am to fill in time. But if I had a vote I would vote Rafael Palmeiro into the HOF.

The brand of baseball we seen for the last 10-14 years will be forever known as the Steroids Era. No one will ever know who took them or not. You mean to tell me that only Barry Bonds, Jason Giambi, Pudge Rodriguez, Mark McGwire, Juan Gonzalez, Sammy Sosa, Jose Canseco and Gary Sheffield took them. How many other players actually took them? No pitchers ever took them? I find it hard to believe that some certain pitchers who look for every edge possible didn't at least try steroids once just to see if it gave them any advantage over a hitter. None of those guys I mentioned have ever tested positive for steroids that I know of. And even if they did it was not against any rules of Major League Baseball at the time.

Palmeiro's numbers are hard to overlook. I think he's one of only 26 men with over 3000 hits and one of just 22 men with over 500 home runs. He is just one of only four men with both 3000 hits and 500 homers. And if he plays next year he might finish his career as one of only three men with 3000 hits and 600 homers joining Hank Aaron and Willie Mays. I think with numbers like that he deserves to be in the HOF. But until we known the whole truth of his failed test definitely NOT a first ballot pick.

Someone should write a whole another article on Shoeless Joe and Charlie Hustle.
on Aug 03, 2005
Gideon, I forgot to add this. It's David Letterman's Top Ten list from last night's show.

TOP TEN RAFAEL PALMEIRO

10."Pete Rose bet me I wouldn't do it"

9."There wasn't a Starbucks around and I needed a quick pick-me up"

8."I enjoy the fresh minty flavor"

7."Hmm, I lost it in the sun?"

6."Somebody must've slipped something into my Viagra"

5."Steroids illegal?! Since when?"

4. Heard steroids gave your mustache a glossy coat.

3. Memory loss from steroid use made me forget I was on steroids.

2."Roids rule, dude"

And the number one Raphael Palmeiro excuse ..

1."How am I supposed to keep track of every single thing I stick in my ass?"
on Aug 07, 2005
The case to be made for Palmeiro being kept out of the HOF rests on a part of the criteria to enter the hall, a part which devotes itself entirely to "integrity" and things such as that. I don't have the time to look it up now, but I'll get back to you with the actual passage if you want me to. Based on that, it would seem unjust to allow a man who cheated to get his credentials in.
on Aug 07, 2005
philo,

It didn't stop Ty Cobb's sharpened spikes, and it's unlikely to stop McGwire; why should Palmeiro be the token fall guy?
on Aug 07, 2005
t didn't stop Ty Cobb's sharpened spikes, and it's unlikely to stop McGwire; why should Palmeiro be the token fall guy?


As far as Cobb goes, his sharpened spikes may have been intimidating, but he still had to get on base. They did not help him get his hits.

McGwire, who probably used steroids, and who was unconvincing in front of Congress, has one thing going for him that Palmeiro does not: Mark McGwire was never caught. He remains innocent until proven guilty, which anyone is hard pressed to do now.

I believe Palmeiro should still go to the HOF. I was just pointing out what the strongest deterrent to him entering would be.