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Andrea Yates, the Texas mom convicted of drowning her children, had her conviction overturned by an appeals court based on misinformation from a prosecution witness (story below). This gives some hope, in my opinion and those of many mental health advocates, for Yates to receive a conviction and sentence that will provide her with the mental help she needs for some very serious psychological problems she has.

Texas Mom's Murder Convictions Overturned


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By MICHAEL GRACZYK, Associated Press Writer

HOUSTON - Andrea Yates' capital murder convictions for drowning her children were overturned Thursday by an appeals court, which ruled that a prosecution witness' erroneous testimony about a nonexistent TV episode could have been crucial.

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Yates' lawyers had argued at a hearing last month before a three-judge panel of the First Court of Appeals in Houston that psychiatrist Park Dietz was wrong when he mentioned an episode of the TV show "Law & Order" involving a woman found innocent by reason of insanity for drowning her children.

After jurors found Yates guilty, attorneys in the case and jurors learned no such episode existed.

"We conclude that there is a reasonable likelihood that Dr. Dietz's false testimony could have affected the judgment of the jury," the court ruled. "We further conclude that Dr. Dietz's false testimony affected the substantial rights of appellant."

The appellate ruling returns the case for a new trial, although prosecutors said they hoped instead to successfully appeal Thursday's ruling.

"We fully intend to pursue a motion for a rehearing," said Harris County Assistant District Attorney Alan Curry, who argued the case before the appeals court. "Barring that, we'll continue to appeal to the Texas Court of Criminal Appeals. We still believe we have a good shot to prevail in appeal."

Jurors in 2002 sentenced Yates to life in prison in the 2001 deaths of three of her children. She was not tried in the deaths of the other two.

The defense's appeal cited 19 errors from her trial, but the appeals court said since the false testimony issue reversed the conviction, it was not ruling on the other matters. Among other things, Yates attorneys had claimed the Texas insanity standard is unconstitutional.

Prosecutors told the court last month there was no evidence Dietz intentionally lied and that the testimony was evoked by Yates' defense attorney during cross-examination. They also argued that Dietz's testimony wasn't material to the case and there was plenty of other testimony about Yates' plans to kill her children.

"We agree that this case does not involve the state's knowing use of perjured testimony," the appeals court said in its ruling. But the judges said prosecutors did use the testimony twice and referred to it in closing arguments.

A woman answering the telephone at Dietz's Newport Beach, Calif., office said Thursday there was no immediate comment from him or his firm. He had testified the episode aired shortly before the drownings, and other testimony during the trial had indicated that Yates watched the series.

The error came to light during the sentencing phase of the trial. State District Judge Belinda Hill refused a defense request for a mistrial but allowed the attorneys to stipulate to jurors, before they decided on Yates' punishment, that the program did not exist.

Prosecutor Joe Owmby said at the time that Dietz didn't tell him until after his closing arguments in the guilt phase of the trial that he was mistaken about the show.

"He was confused and made an error," Owmby said.

A wet and bedraggled Yates called police to her home on June 20, 2001, and showed them the bodies of her five children: Noah, 7, John, 5, Paul, 3, Luke, 2, and 6-month-old Mary. She had called them into the bathroom and drowned them one by one.

According to testimony, Yates was overwhelmed by motherhood, considered herself a bad mother, and had attempted suicide and been hospitalized for depression.

Prosecutors acknowledged she was mentally ill but argued that she could tell right from wrong and was thus not legally insane.

 

The case stirred debate over the legal standard for mental illness and whether postpartum depression is properly recognized and taken seriously. Women's groups had harshly criticized prosecutors for pushing for the death penalty.

Dietz is a nationally known expert who also took part in such high profile cases as those of Susan Smith, convicted of killing her two children in a South Carolina lake; serial killer Jeffrey Dahmer; and "Unabomber" Ted Kaczynski.


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on Jan 06, 2005
Andrea Yates has had and surely continues to need mental help. I wish they would indict her husband. As someone who has a mental illness that requires daily medication, I think Rusty Yates was just as culpable if not more so in the death of the Yate's children.
on Jan 06, 2005
I think Rusty Yates was just as culpable if not more so in the death of the Yate's children.


I don't know about "more so", but I'll agree that his inaction probably did contribute to the brutal murders.

She did it, she killed her kids, not in a quick random act of instability, but in a methodic manner which took planning and preparation to accomplish. She even had to chase down the oldest kid in order to complete the job.

Mental illness? Or Monster with an excuse?
on Jan 06, 2005
I read that she testified that she knew what she was doing was wrong. That and then the jury's conviction convinced me that she's guilty on a deeper level than manslaughter.

However, I was and am still against capital punishment for her. I hope she gets treatment and stays locked up, but I don't wish death on her.

And I think her husband is a jerk, if un-indictable.

-A.
on Jan 06, 2005

I don't know about "more so", but I'll agree that his inaction probably did contribute to the brutal murders.

Para, if you really read into the story, you would see he was severely culpable. It wasn't just his inaction. He sold all of their stuff at some point and made her live in a bus with five kids. A bus....with five kids....that would drive anyone crazy. He also never bothered to make sure she took her meds and continued seeing the doctor. My husband has been married to me for 8 years, and even this morning, he asked me if I took my medication. He makes sure my med is refilled and picks it up from the RX.

Andrea was and is mentally ill. She hallucinated, heard voices, and was haunted with her own demons from the illness. I am not denying her responsibility, but she is a classic textbook case for "insanity." She should be hospitalized for the rest of her life.

on Jan 06, 2005
I know I'm the odd ball here, but I think she needs to die for her crime, if anybody dies for their crime. Of all people, a mother should protect, even at the expense of her very own life, her children. A juror in the Scott Peterson trial pointed out that fact about him, that instead of protecting his wife and unborn child, he murdered them. Yates knew what she did, just like Peterson. I just can't believe otherwise.
on Jan 06, 2005
I am sick and tired of liberal excuses. Anyone who commits a crime should be punished. Period.
on Jan 06, 2005
She should be hospitalized for the rest of her life.


Yes, in a maximum security "hospital".

As for the calls for "capital punishment", I would tend to disagree with that sentence. While I am an advocate of capital punishment, I think it the ultimate penalty should be reserved for the ultimate criminals. While what she did was monstrous, it was a single episode. Her crimes should qualify her for never being free another day in her life, but since there are criminals much more horrific than her, the ultimate penalty should be reserved for them.

on Jan 06, 2005
Para, if you really read into the story, you would see he was severely culpable. It wasn't just his inaction. He sold all of their stuff at some point and made her live in a bus with five kids. A bus....with five kids....that would drive anyone crazy. He also never bothered to make sure she took her meds and continued seeing the doctor. My husband has been married to me for 8 years, and even this morning, he asked me if I took my medication. He makes sure my med is refilled and picks it up from the RX.
Andrea was and is mentally ill. She hallucinated, heard voices, and was haunted with her own demons from the illness. I am not denying her responsibility, but she is a classic textbook case for "insanity." She should be hospitalized for the rest of her life.


I don't believe in the death penalty, so I don't believe that she should be put to death. However, I also do not believe that anyone else is responsible for her actions other than herself. Yes, she might be mentally ill, but her husband is not her keeper, he does not control her. It is nice that your husband is concerned about you/cares about you enough to ask if you have taken your medication, but in my opinion, taking medication is the responsibility of the individual and no one else. This is just another attempt to shirk individual responsibility and place the blame elsewhere.

I don't know all that much about the case--if he emotionally or mentally abused her, than he should be culpable for those actions--but nothing further.
on Jan 06, 2005
It wasn't just his inaction. He sold all of their stuff at some point and made her live in a bus with five kids. A bus....with five kids....that would drive anyone crazy. He also never bothered to make sure she took her meds and continued seeing the doctor.


She is on trial for her crimes, and should be. His actions are a subject for a trial of his own. While his actions should be used as extenuating circumstances, in the end, it was not him that killed the kids. Why he isn't charged for his part in all of this is a travesty.

but she is a classic textbook case for "insanity."


She can't be a "textbook case of insanity" since she realizes what she did, she knows what she did was wrong, and is capable of participating in her own defense.
on Jan 06, 2005
I do not want to hijack and this thread has it a personal chord with me, so I will respond here.
on Jan 06, 2005
I was just going to smile, and agree to disagree but this works. ;~D
on Jan 06, 2005
http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/women/andrea_yates/index.html Link for the uninformed like me
on Jan 06, 2005
I don't care if she was insane or not, the bitch should be fried. Save the people tax dollars. We put out animals that attack people, so why not put out psychopaths that kill people?
on Jan 06, 2005
Save the people tax dollars.


If you really want to do that, then capital punishment is *not* the way to go. All the appeals, the court costs, all of that--hundreds of thousands, and in some cases, millions, of dollars. It's not cheap to put them in prison for life, either, but they're less likely to appeal and spend taxpayer money that way.

-A.
on Jan 07, 2005

I think Rusty Yates was just as culpable if not more so in the death of the Yate's children.

Heather,

I couldn't agree more. As parents who homeschool (AND have five children to boot), I can tell you that the task of homeschooling is IMPOSSIBLE for one parent to undertake, especially coupled with the demands of a full time mother. Add to this the fact that Andrea Yates was mentally ill to begin with, and you had a disaster waiting to happen.

Those who don't homeschool will not see the relevance of this point, but as a father who has always been very active in the homeschooling of our children, I have been incensed at the numerous fathers who shrug off their responsibilities to the education of their children as the duties of the mother (the old "women's work" argument).

Rusty made commitments of Andrea's time and resources without being willing to back them up with his own full time support, an attitude that is far too prevalent in this day and age. He shirked his responsibilities as a man and a father, and then played the role of the victim as Andrea slowly deteriorated. I personally believe he was MORE culpable than Andrea, because, as one who was "mentally stable", he was in a position to better gauge Andrea's declining mental state (if nothing else, he could have/should have listened to others who DID see her deteriorating.

Andrea is by no means a victim in her actions, and by no means should she ever walk free again, for her own safety more than anything else. But she WAS a victim in another sense, of an overbearing, domineering and selfish husband, and while that does not mitigate her actions, it does gall me that he has not had to face any liability for his actions. 

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