The journey from there to here
Published on February 2, 2006 By Gideon MacLeish In Politics

As the news reports roll in about Exxon Mobil's 2005 earnings, more and more individuals and advocacy groups are calling for a "windfall profits" tax that would curtail excess profits such as those made by Exxon. It is a very bad idea, and it would hurt most those the argument claims to want to help: the American working class.

The price at the pump is only the first place that would be affected. As you know, taxes on a corporation are passed onto the consumer in the form of higher cost, a cost that we can ill afford to pay in such a needed commodity as petroleum that is essential to shipping, manufacturing, transportation, heating, and many other segments of the economy.

But going further, such a tax would impact the price of the oil companies' stocks. Stocks are bought and sold on the idea of their being able to bring a return on shareholder's investments, and a stock in any company that's governed by price controls would not realize a continuing rise in prices, as investors would realize there's only so much return they could reap from such investments. Other corporations in similar types of industries may feel a fallout effect as the prices of their stocks drop in anticipation of future, almost inevitable, regulation. As the stock prices drop and the economy flattens out, businesses will stop expanding. They'll stop hiring, meaning a net loss of jobs in an economy that some insist is already weak.

These international companies will still feel a need to guarantee a return on their shareholder's investment; that's their JOB. As a result, they will sell their oil on foreign markets where they aren't governed by such regulation to earn bigger profits, and the supply to the United States will be reduced with fewer suppliers. Because the free market operates on the principle of supply and demand, a lessened supply with a stable demand means only one thing: prices rise.

I didn't enjoy paying nearly $3.00 a gallon at the punp in the wake of Hurricane Katrina any more than the next guy. But I realize that if we proceed with proposed legislation, we will not only see the increased prices, but we will NOT see the subsequent DROP in prices for a long, long time.

And that is an end result that hurts EVERYONE, even those far outside our economy. For you see, many of our dollars are allocated to foreign aid; dollars that future administrations would almost certainly be forced to reassign to domestic spending if placed in such an economic crisis.


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on Feb 02, 2006
Ted Matthews, Errr, excuse me, Gov Tim Kaine, wants to hike the gas tax as it is.  But he says it is all just a faykade.
on Feb 02, 2006
I think this kind of falls under "you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".

Wouldn't it be nice if companies priced things so that the company only made a modest profit and consumers got a really great deal? Then we could all afford some very nice things.

Wouldn't it be nice if companies shared those great earnings with their lower employees with things like better benefits, bonuses, and pay increases?

Wouldn't it be nice if companies were altruistic and put the good of society above profit?

The thing is, we can't FORCE companies to do the warm and fuzzy thing. Even if we try, they will find a way around it. Companies are profit-driven. Innovation and stability in our society depend on the money lust of our corporations. That's just the way it is.

The government can only do so much to enforce "fairness" without pulling the rug out from under capitalism. A "windfall profits tax" would backfire.

You can't legislate fairness or generosity. It's a nice idea, but it doesn't work.
on Feb 02, 2006
What utter rubbish your arguements are mush and more mush. A law mandating half of thiose profits being seized and used to pay for heating subsidies for the working class and for non-profit public domain research to develop fusion hydrogen power is
absolutely necessary. The oil monopolies are forcing us to war in the Arabian peninsula to protect their interests. We must die for their blood money profits and pay through the nose also, the ultimate insult. We must turn this war against the international
working class into a civil war . This republic is no more than a dictatorship of finance capital over the working class. It is time
expropriate them.
on Feb 02, 2006
What utter rubbish your arguements are mush and more mush. A law mandating half of thiose profits being seized and used to pay for heating subsidies for the working class and for non-profit public domain research to develop fusion hydrogen power is
absolutely necessary. The oil monopolies are forcing us to war in the Arabian peninsula to protect their interests. We must die for their blood money profits and pay through the nose also, the ultimate insult. We must turn this war against the international
working class into a civil war . This republic is no more than a dictatorship of finance capital over the working class. It is time
expropriate them.
on Feb 02, 2006

You can't legislate fairness or generosity. It's a nice idea, but it doesn't work.

A wise lady has spoken.

on Feb 02, 2006

os2wiz(Anonymous User)

Excuse me?  You are calling this utter rubbish and your chosen name is OS2Wiz?  What do you do for an encore, spout DOS?

on Feb 02, 2006
Heya, Gid, I agree with you here. The large profits that oil companies have been gaining here lately present a golden opportunity for them -- I'd like to see the majority of those profits be re-invested in the industry, not just for oil exploration, but in the areas of increased efficiency and alternative energy sources. BP is probably the world leader (among oil companies) in doing this, but I think they all are either doing this or are going to be forced to do it in the future.

Of course, not all of these profits will go for altruistic matters; that's the nature of the beast. The situation as I see it is that a windfall tax is a limited, short-term solution that will lead to decreased future profits and productivity. A reinvestment of those same profits, however, especially in the areas of increased efficiency and alternative energy will most likely save everyone a lot of cash in the long run by stabilising or cheapening energy costs as well as increasing the amount of energy that can be harnessed from a barrel of oil.

The only regulation I'd like to see is to make sure that the bulk of those profits do go for these things and not Enron-style spending sprees. A windfall profit tax, however, is a poor way to do this -- I'd rather see a greater cooperation in research and development between the government and the businesses -- a sort of "Manhatten Project" of alternative energy and increased efficiency (that phrase isn't new with me, of course, but I like the idea).

Good article.
on Feb 02, 2006
The price gouging that is taking place by the oil companies is taking money out of the consumer hands. They will buy less of other things to pay the higher cost of gas and fuel oil. Taxing the blotted profits and using that revenue to fund new energy options would create new jobs and technology that could help our trade imbalance. Allowing BIG OIL to drive up the cost of EVERYTHING does not benefit anyone but the oil companies.
on Feb 02, 2006
Something the media isn't saying is what Exxon Mobil's profit MARGIN is. Not profits, but profit margin. How much money they made in comparison to how much they had to spend to make it. Exxon Mobil had the highest profit in history for one company, but they are also one the biggest companies in history so this huge dollar figure doesn't neccesarily mean anything.

So what is their profit margin? I've heard 10% (just under 11 to be more precise). 10 whole percent! Whup-de-doo! There are plenty of companies that make alot more money than that. A big huge dollar figure doesn't mean a whole lot if you had to spend tons of money to arrive at it.

But, of course, nobody tells you this BECAUSE THE OIL COMPANIES ARE EVIL!! BOOGEDY BOOGEDY!

Let's say there is a huge merger between Time Warner, GE, Microsoft, Oracle, Cisco, HP, and Dell. Now their combined profits equal about a bajillion dollars, but we would expect that, right? They are now a huge company of ultimate doom. They could do BAD and still make more money than anyone. So how do we accurately gauge how well they are doing even when faced with a bajillion dollar profit? We look at profit margin, which is a percentage and is simply the return on the equally ridiculous amount of money they spend to make that profit. Too bad reporters aren't this smart, or choose not to point this out.
on Feb 02, 2006
What the col doesn't care about is that the stockholders of those companies are consumers just like everyone else. The only way to fix this is either allow the government into corporate boardrooms and allow them to impose pricing and operating cost adjustments, or punitively tax them and pass law making it forbidden for them to pass the cost of the tax onto the consumer.

Anyone who wants something like that to happen has no right sitting around being paranoid about government intrusion the way the Col does. It's the height of hypocricy to demand that the government not be too powerful, and then instill them with tyrranical power to attack someone you differ with. They'll just attack you next.
on Feb 02, 2006
BakerStreet

When I compare the benefits to the stockholders with the harm to EVERY BUSINESS and EVERY Person it is easy to choose. The number of people and businesses that were harmed far exceed the number of stockholders.
on Feb 02, 2006
So what do you do about it, col? Bush isn't king. Using the real powers the president has, why don't you enlighten us on how the situation can be fixed. (or shut the hell up...)
on Feb 03, 2006

Reply By: Vecctor
Posted: Thursday, February 02, 2006

Excellent Point, and very accurate.  That deserves an insightful.

on Feb 03, 2006
Please read my post # 8

The price gouging that is taking place by the oil companies is taking money out of the consumer hands. They will buy less of other things to pay the higher cost of gas and fuel oil. Taxing the blotted profits and using that revenue to fund new energy options would create new jobs and technology that could help our trade imbalance. Allowing BIG OIL to drive up the cost of EVERYTHING does not benefit anyone but the oil companies.

This option will also make it clear to Big Oil that this behavior will not get them unjustified profit increases at the expense of everyone in this country!
on Feb 04, 2006
Ironic that when corporations are charging the highest price they can get for their products or services it's considered "gouging", but when unions do the same thing it's called "taking care of the workers". ;~D
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