The journey from there to here
And "the Left" doesn't seem to get about "the Right"
Published on January 17, 2006 By Gideon MacLeish In Politics

One of the biggest wrongs we can commit against the ideology of another is to sum up their ideology in one or two word sound bites (examples: the right, the left, conservative, liberal, Republican, democrat, libertarian, green). And yet it seems to be a necessary evil to address the group that is the focus of our discussion. With that disclaimer in mind, I'd like to make some observations about what I see as the right's key misunderstanding about the left (knowing that a good number of you won't fall wholly into either category).

You see, for all the disagreements I have with the left (and there are many, as those who incline towards the left will readily verify), There is one generality, one stereotype that fits them almost universally. While the right tends to differ over their reasons for involvement, the left hold their ideology almost entirely for altruistic reasons. You can believe, as I do, that the programs and ideas they suggest are often misguided, but to disagree about their intentions is to do a massive disservice to these individuals, whose intentions are, for the most part, good.

I believe the reason that many in the left have "lost their way" is because they have proceeded into action with fallacious assumptions. The argument often used by the left that proceeding into Iraq with faulty intelligence was wrong is equally true of some of the actions and initiatives undertaken by the left; their emotion stirs them into making faulty decisions at times.

A perfect example of this is the Child Protective Services system, which most of you know I oppose pretty strongly. There exists absolutely NO DOUBT in my mind that the foundation of CPS was almost wholly good, altruistic, and honorable, or that the VAST MAJORITY of social workers within CPS have VERY honorable intentions. My concern is that CPS has been coopted by a bureaucracy that's unable to handle it, and that social workers are placed on a quota system that often demands they remove a child even if they perceive better solutions and more realistic solutions for the families they intend to serve. They also are often called to the role of being investigators, despite being inadequately trained in objective investigative techniques. This is one of the many reasons I support privatization.

Because we have become so partisan, we've refused to see what should be seen as the good in "the other side". The left should see that the right is not composed of "greedy, selfish" individuals, but of individuals that believe (at least in theory) that government should be smaller, that more decisions be made at the state and local level, where administrators and officials can better determine what's appropriate for THEIR constituency (one of my favorite sayings is "what works in Texas don't work in Massachussetts"). In essence, the right wants more "bang for the buck". The left, similarly, is not made up completely of "big government, tax and spend liberals", but of individuals who want to see every person born on this planet get a fair shake, have good opportunities, and have a reasonable standard of living. There's actually a good deal of room for compromise between the two.


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on Jan 18, 2006

They'd pay sales tax, and, depending on how dubious their housing is, possibly property tax as well. Unless of course the US just has income taxes, in which case I guess they don't.

For an American, that is very funny!  If you can hold it, it is taxed.  If you can dream about it, it is taxed.  If you enjoy it, it is taxed more!  We got more taxes than Carter has liver pills! The disingenious rants of liberals is when they 'cry' that the top tax rate is only 38%.  On top of that you have state income tax (most states), FICA, Medicaid/Medicare, unemployment, Worker's Comp,  and then all the use, sales, excise, property taxes.

on Jan 18, 2006
cuz it appears as if this todays cps disaster is the unfortunate child of bipartisan, omni-ideology parentage


kingbee,

It has become bipartisan, yes, but is another example of how Republicans have betrayed their small government rhetoric and have been manipulated by extreme leftist ideals. The idea that a child is owned by the state did not originate in the smoke filled rooms of Barry Goldwater planning sessions, but rather in the discussions of Lenin, Mao, and Stalin, and every other political notwithstanding, should alarm us by its very presence in American ideology and political thought (and expression in Senator Clinton's now infamous book).
on Jan 18, 2006
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(and expression in Senator Clinton's now infamous book).

The fact remains that there are far too many cases of child abuse or neglect, and no one individual can rectify it--indeed it takes a village
on Jan 18, 2006
idea that a child is owned by the state did not originate


cps in this country didn't spring full-born from anyone's belief children are owned by the state did it?

wouldn't it be much more accurate to say it owes its existence to the progressive movement's contention society has a duty to protect children?

is yours a problem of concept (it would clearly support your argument bout the road to hell being paved with noble idealism) the mechanism which was intended to accomplish that end--one which has clearly run amok--or both?
on Jan 18, 2006
The fact remains that there are far too many cases of child abuse or neglect, and no one individual can rectify it--indeed it takes a village


steven,

Violating the constitution isn't the way to rectify it. Breaking down parents' doors and stealing their children away in the middle of the night without due process isn't the way to rectify it. Anonymous reporting isn't the way to rectify it.

I have proposed very real, very compelling solutions WITH TEETH to identify, address, and deal with abusers. Put simply, CPS' only roles should be as agents for placement when necessary due to a criminal finding of guilt or a criminal investigation into wrongdoing where continual placement with the parent could realistically place the child in jeopardy; and as facilitators for (CRIMINAL) court ordered rehabilitation and treatment and advocates for the child. TRAINED LAW ENFORCEMENT should head up ALL investigations, with awareness of and respect for the United States Constitution.

I find it compelling that liberals attack Bush for what may be a breach of the constitution as regards NSA wiretaps, but SUPPORT egregious, provable, and repeated breaches of the constitution by CPS' actions, policies and procedures.

wouldn't it be much more accurate to say it owes its existence to the progressive movement's contention society has a duty to protect children?


No, it wouldn't, kingbee. When I see children removed from their homes because their parents had no utilities or because their parents refused medical treatments that were questionable or debatable, when I see parents court ordered not to shout the name of their child because it might emotionally traumatize the child, and refused the right to discipline the children by imposing curfews, groundation, or other non corporal forms of punishment, and even some forms of corporal punishment that could not be classified as abuse by any reasonable, sane individual, then I can only conclude that our policy makers have decided a child is the property of the state. When the right of a parent to be notified if their child has an abortion is called into question, or a parent has to live in mortal fear of a vengeful neighbor calling CPS because they simply don't like that individual, it only reinforces that belief. I encourage you to take a long, hard look at the documented actions of CPS documented by organizations like the National Center for Child Protection Reform (which, by the way, proposes rather leftist leaning reforms).

The laws upon which CPS are based actually originated, ironically enough because of a case of severe abuse and neglect on the part of a FOSTER PARENT in New York City (See "Mary Ellen's Law"; I've written about this earlier). There is no question we need to protect our children from abuse and neglect; but frankly, in most cases of abuse and neglect that CPS spearheads, the abuser goes free because the CPS investigation tainted evidence and therefore made it completely inadmissable in a criminal proceeding. Do you really think that taking a child away because you see a case of suspected abuse and allowing the abuser to walk because of your investigatory methods is the way we should proceed?
on Jan 18, 2006
The fact remains that there are far too many cases of child abuse or neglect, and no one individual can rectify it--indeed it takes a village


But that argument smacks of "trading freedom for security". For that is what you are doing by allowing a gestapo like organization to protect the few at the expense of the rights of the many.
on Jan 18, 2006
But that argument smacks of "trading freedom for security".


Oh Yeah I know whatcha mean, it's like that Patriot Act thing you guys have down there.
on Jan 18, 2006
I can only conclude that our policy makers have decided a child is the property of the state


hmmmmm. i understand and share your concerns as much as it's possible for someone without children to do so. some time back, i put a lotta work into helping a couple friends extricate themselves from cps' clutches.

i'm perplexed by your response (part of which is quoted above) to my questions in #19. i wasn't asking for an opinion about cps as it exists today (that part seems pretty clear to me). we both know cps didn't originate in the early 60s atta goldwater strategy session any more than it did in mao's mountain strongholds. so lemme rephrase the question: do you really believe 19th century progressives who claimed to be childrens' advocates had any ulterior agenda such as 'state owned' children?
on Jan 19, 2006
do you really believe 19th century progressives who claimed to be childrens' advocates had any ulterior agenda such as 'state owned' children?


direct answer: NO! But I also believe these same 19th century progressives would be appalled at what CPS has become.

CPS is, in my opinion, what happens when altruism marries bureaucracy. It was started with wholly noble intentions. But it has been coopted by special interests so heavily that any good it might do is usually outweighed by the bad.
on Jan 19, 2006
Check out this story

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on Jan 19, 2006
Iconoclast,

That story is an example of a situation when CPS SHOULD have stepped in, and didn't. They also should've had the police there and dealt with the adults as the criminals they are.

Just because we can site examples where CPS should be involved, doesn't mean that there aren't some major abuses of the system going on.
on Jan 19, 2006
It's another example of their incompetence.
on Jan 19, 2006

Oh Yeah I know whatcha mean, it's like that Patriot Act thing you guys have down there.

Even funnier are those who support CPS hate the Patriot act.  They are willing to trade away rights - if it is their party taking them.

on Jan 19, 2006

It's another example of their incompetence.

On that I think we all agree.

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