The journey from there to here

"We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America." --preamble, US Constitution

There's a lot of discussion among activists about whether the government bears responsibility for our upkeep. One of the most frequently used cites the preamble to the US Constitution, quoted above, and its clause "to promote the general welfare".

The flaw in their logic is the qualifier "general" before the word "welfare". Roads are "general welfare" because they improve the lives of the whole community rather than a specific individual. Hydroelectric dams, and even certain telecommunications services would qualify as well, because they similarly improve the lives of the whole community (as well as improve means of delivery for defense services, another stipulation in the preamble). Food stamps and  housing subsidies do not, as those are geared at improving the lives of INDIVIDUALS, not the general public.

"Ahhh," the liberal will argue, "but if you improve the quality of life of the poorest among us, you improve the economy as a whole". And, in fact, this is true. The question then becomes whether our current system of subsidies truly improves the quality of life. When I see someone who receives $400 or more a month in food stamps standing in line at the food bank, I'm inclined to think not.

You see, I can give you all the money in the world, but I can't teach you how to spend it. I can't teach you, for instance, that the delayed gratification in getting a 19 inch TV until you can AFFORD the 52 inch big screen will not only save you hundreds of dollars in interest if you buy through the rent to own place or with payday loans, but will, in fact, save you three figures annually on your electric bill. I can't teach you that if you make your food purchasing decisions around the weekly sales flyers and actively hunt down coupons, you can save 50% or more off of your food purchasing costs. I can't teach you how simply replacing your regular light bulb with a compact flourescent will save you FAR MORE than the inflated costs of the flourescent bulbs. Because, you see, those are the kinds of things one only learns if one HAS to live on a limited income. Families who have to struggle from paycheck to paycheck are FAR more likely to acquire the financial stewardship tools that will improve their financial standing over the long term.

An interesting argument entered the discussion today, one from a self professed liberal. The argument was that it was our BIBLICAL responsibility. While wholly ironic when you consider it comes from a representative of the end of the political spectrum that is trying to chase away what they perceive as the "boogeyman" of religion, and who consistently clamour for separation of church and state, we'll consider the argument on its merits: Does the Bible teach that GOVERNMENT is responsible for charity?

Short answer: NO! While it is true that the city of Sodom was destroyed because of its refusal to help the poor and needy (Ezekial 16:49), this is not the compelling case that it appears to be. For, as every Sunday School child in America knows, Abraham pleaded with God, who agreed to spare the city if ten righteous men were found in it. This makes it patently clear that the destruction of Sodom was for the sins of the INDIVIDUALS, and not of the government.

If you feel that the need for the government to keep our homeless off the streets falls under the "general welfare" provision, they should do so in the most cost effective means possible, as they are stewards of the resources they possess. Money should not be given to meet a food or housing shortage, FOOD AND HOUSING should be given to meet a food and housing shortage. And that food and housing should be as basic as possible, with no frills whatsoever. A diet adequate to properly nourish the individual should be provided, and tenements with the barest of necessities. In short, poorhouses. And these poorhouses should be located away from the urban populations where the criminal activities of certain elements among them will not affect the general populace. Those who wish to work should be provided the opportunity and trasnsportation, but should be required to put a portion of their pay into their support within the community.

Frankly, I find the above scenario nightmarish and frightening. I wouldn't want to see it come to pass in any context. But if such programs are the responsibility of the government, it is the government's EQUAL responsibility to ensure that they are enforced with the greatest efficiency. The sad truth of the matter is, we offer better benefits to many of our poor who do nothing to earn their standard of living than we do our armed services personnel, who stand on the wall to defend us. And that should stop.

To answer my title question, I do not believe governments are IN ANY WAY responsible for our personal welfare. I believe that we should encourage private charities to meet the needs of individuals, and let government get on with the business of governing. They're having a hard enough time doing THAT.

 


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on Dec 22, 2005
When I was a child I never expected those with to pay the way for my irresponsible parents.


Someone DID pay the way...higher wage earners who were not family paid your family's way instead of those who love and care for you and yours.

Look, I'm not against government assistance. It certainly has a place. However, when possible, the help should come from family members, churches, friends, and neighbors instead of from the American tax payers.

They were always hoping to get someone to pay their way.


And they got that. Through welfare.

The reason family, neighbors and friends no longer care for each other is from the 20's-50's the cost of living wasn't nearly what it is in recent years and people were more appreciative.


I believe the reason is partly because welfare is like free money, whereas assistance from family members is met by some expectations (repayment or lifestyle expectations). Additionally, people no longer see it as their responsibility because they don't HAVE to help. The government will do it for them.

When I consider your idea and apply it to my 13 yr old son, I see more damage then motivation.


At age 13, you should still be providing for your son's needs, so I'm not sure how this even remotely applies.

Believe it or not, it's had a derogatory affect on him because he doesn't know what work is, how to prioritize or give naturally.


That's a parenting issue.

Its one thing to ask for help, it's another to expect to be cared for indefinitely....


Welfare = more likely to be expected indefinitely. Family assistance = short term help (embarrassment and expectations play a factor in that).

I'm not criticizing your family specifically. We all do whatever we need to do to take care of our families. I do, however, feel that the demand for tax payer-funded welfare would decrease dramatically if we were to choose to step up and care for our own families.

I think it's pretty unethical to expect the government to provide for the needs of my family when I have the means to do so myself. My family = my responsibility.
on Dec 23, 2005

But of course, since you're a neocon, you don't have a problem with welfare for corporations and the church. Just a little hypocritical, don't you think?

How do you define corporate welfare?  I've found that some people consider tax breaks to be corporate welfare. That's nonsense.  When the government confiscates less money from individuals or companies that's not welfare.  Welfare is when you're literlaly paying someone money for doing nothing.

on Dec 23, 2005
When we borrow money the way Bush has, 40% of that interest go outside America and NEVER returns to our economy.


Leave it to you Colon Bin Gangrene, to turn this into a Bush bash. {{{Spit}}}
on Dec 23, 2005
Gideon, I agree.

COL:

If the Fed provides help to the poor (food stamps for example) 100% of that ends up back in the economy.


And so it would if the government provides help to the rich. I doubt that "general welfare" includes government giving money to individuals, but if it does, it certainly doesn't say that these recipients must be the poor.

I know it's a ridiculous idea to give hand-outs to the rich; but so it is to give hand-outs to the poor, at least when based on the term "general welfare" which does not make a difference between rich and poor. And neither should we.

on Dec 23, 2005

But of course, since you're a neocon, you don't have a problem with welfare for corporations and the church. Just a little hypocritical, don't you think?


Yes, to assign opinions to other people is hypocritical.

Gideon is neither a neo-conservative nor does he support welfare for corporations and "the church", whatever that means.

on Dec 23, 2005
I think it's pretty unethical to expect the government to provide for the needs of my family when I have the means to do so myself. My family = my responsibility

I agree with you to the extent that idealisms, whether conservative or liberal loose applicability when applied to life. Although my immediate family took some welfare, both sides of the family put in more to the system then was taken out.. As parents or family leaders we're charged with teaching character, values, and about taking responsibility. In retrospect 99.9% of my family turned out highly productive and morally sound. The family that produced 2 misfits, also produced one that created more employment opportunities then my whole family to date... So, although your theory has merit, as our great system stands all it takes is one person to make a dramatic difference.

At age 13, you should still be providing for your son's needs, so I'm not sure how this even remotely applies.

I completely understand and accept the charge. We're talking about Govt Upkeep, the value of it and associated mentalities. I was trying to show that regardless of income, entitlement mentality's can result...just because.

Welfare is when you're literlaly paying someone money for doing nothing.

This is the version of "Welfare" that I am opposed to... and it's more common today then when I was a child and my family used it, never abused it. Back then I believe there was a greater number of folks with pride and shame. Two qualities that appear gone in the masses today.
on Dec 23, 2005
Tax cuts to the very wealthy do not fully returned to the economy but end up in part in the accounts of the wealthy.


Either you mis-stated or you're not privy to how wealthy folks save and spend.
on Dec 23, 2005
I'm still waiting for my raise!

~taps foot impatiently~
on Dec 23, 2005

Either you mis-stated or you're not privy to how wealthy folks save and spend.

No, he is just plain ignorant.  So how stuffed is your mattress?

on Dec 23, 2005
The marginal propensity to consume is part of economics that shows you will spend LESS of each added dollar the more money you have. Thus, if tax cuts or welfare payment go to low or middle income people, nearly 100% is spent and is returned to the economy. When that same money ( from tax cuts) is returned to the wealthy and very wealthy, less then 100% is spent. The higher the wreath of the recipient the less that will be spent and more will go into the savings/investments of the higher income groups.

In addition, the wealthy have enough money to provide all they need and then some. The poor do not. Thus government help to the poor and tax cuts to the middle income families not only return more to the economy but enables the poor and middle income Americans to have the necessities of life that the wealthy enjoy without tax cuts or assistance.

The deficit we are running adds to the interest we must pay which sucks money out of the economy since 40% of that interest is paid to foreign investors. So we are cutting taxes to the wealthy which increases the deficit and the interest while ignoring the needs of the poor and middle income workers that would help our economy while providing assistance to those that need help. The Bush policies are doing just the opposite. His policies give help to the group that has everything they could ever need or want and takes from those that have very little! Look at the things that were cut in the 2006 budget Food Stamps, Medicaid and student loan help. Great Job George, Dick and all you GOP conservatives! You have added a few more links to the chain attached to your money box.
on Dec 23, 2005
The government should do whatever the majority of The People damn well tell them to do.
on Dec 23, 2005
The government should do whatever the majority of The People damn well tell them to do.


Yeah, because slavery was such a good thing... being a majority demand... right?
on Dec 23, 2005
on Dec 24, 2005

The marginal propensity to consume is part of economics that shows you will spend LESS of each added dollar the more money you have. Thus, if tax cuts or welfare payment go to low or middle income people, nearly 100% is spent and is returned to the economy. When that same money ( from tax cuts) is returned to the wealthy and very wealthy, less then 100% is spent. The higher the wreath of the recipient the less that will be spent and more will go into the savings/investments of the higher income groups.


And I assume the banks and insurance companies simply burn the money and do not use it on the market?

Excuse me, but I think you forgot that investment is just spending money, just like buying other stuff is. Money flows to whoever offers something for it that the owner of the money wants. That can be products or services, but it can also be a share of a company or more money back later or whatever else the market comes up with.

Investment is just as important as buying products. In fact, interest rates reflect how important investment currently is. (Even when interest rates are defined by a central bank.)

on Dec 24, 2005
The marginal propensity to consume is part of economics that shows you will spend LESS of each added dollar the more money you have. Thus, if tax cuts or welfare payment go to low or middle income people, nearly 100% is spent and is returned to the economy. When that same money ( from tax cuts) is returned to the wealthy and very wealthy, less then 100% is spent. The higher the wreath of the recipient the less that will be spent and more will go into the savings/investments of the higher income groups.


Hey clueless one....get a grip will ya? Want to see me shred your arguement?

The reason the money is not all returned to the economy is simple. Every family only needs X amount of dollars to exsist. I don't care if it's low income, middle or high income. The amount changes for each family. They only need X amount every month to get the things needed to survive. There comes a point in time when they have evrything needed for the time frame. Any money after that does NOT get spent. So the reason that 100% of the money is not spent by the wealthy is that they have more/get more than the x amount required to exsist for the time frame. That's part of being wealthy. As you make more money you find yourself spending less of your income. Which is how you build wealth.
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